Ah, okay, ignore my previous response. :) Yes, but kaffeine is not a default app. Ditto for kmplayer. Anything in the applications branch is not a default base app. Kaboodle is part of tdemultimedia, which makes kaboodle the default video player, but is broken and only supports older versions of avi and mpg. We probably should test a base Trinity installation to learn what still works and what breaks and what limitations users encounter. Many of us are long accustomed to adding a bunch of additional apps and we no longer use the "default" apps. Darrell