24 Feb
2015
24 Feb
'15
7:27 a.m.
Lots of nothing Googling this. Could not find any discussion of kinfocenter
removal other than mailing list and
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2135 mention that it happened.
[openSUSE 13.1 host big41]
# which kcmshell
/opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell
# file /opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell
/opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1
(SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32,
BuildID[sha1]=2bb4f94287bb4cbe23e5491ca63bf2f4938fc5a5, stripped
# rpm -qf /opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell
trinity-tdelibs-3.5.13.2-3.oss131.opt.x86_64
# kcmshell fonts
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-fonts-120.jpg (KDE3 or KDE4)
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-fonts-132.jpg (TDE 3.5.13)
# kcmshell xserver
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-xserver-120.jpg (KDE3 or KDE4)
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-xserver-132.jpg
[openSUSE 13.2 host gx28c]
# which kcmshell
which: no kcmshell in
(/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games)
# rpm -qa | grep tdelibs
trinity-tdelibs-14.0.0-1.oss132.opt.i586
# kcontrol xserver
kcontrol: Unexpected argument 'xserver'.
kcontrol: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
# kcontrol fonts
kcontrol: Unexpected argument 'fonts'.
kcontrol: Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
kcontrol --help-all doesn't seem to have an answer. Where did the simple
little applet window functionality go in R14?
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24 Feb
24 Feb
8:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
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On 2015/02/24 04:27 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Lots of nothing Googling this. Could not find any
discussion of
kinfocenter removal other than mailing list and
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2135 mention that
it happened.
[openSUSE 13.1 host big41] # which kcmshell
/opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell
# file /opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell /opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell: ELF
64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked
(uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32,
BuildID[sha1]=2bb4f94287bb4cbe23e5491ca63bf2f4938fc5a5, stripped
# rpm -qf /opt/trinity/bin/kcmshell
trinity-tdelibs-3.5.13.2-3.oss131.opt.x86_64
# kcmshell fonts
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-fonts-120.jpg (KDE3 or KDE4)
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-fonts-132.jpg (TDE
3.5.13)
# kcmshell xserver
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-xserver-120.jpg (KDE3 or
KDE4) http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-xserver-132.jpg
[openSUSE 13.2 host gx28c] # which kcmshell which: no kcmshell in
(/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/root/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games)
# rpm -qa | grep tdelibs trinity-tdelibs-14.0.0-1.oss132.opt.i586
# kcontrol xserver kcontrol: Unexpected argument 'xserver'.
kcontrol: Use --help to get a list of available command line
options.
# kcontrol fonts kcontrol: Unexpected argument 'fonts'. kcontrol:
Use --help to get a list of available command line options.
kcontrol --help-all doesn't seem to have an answer. Where did the
simple little applet window functionality go in R14?
Not sure I understand the question exactly, but if you are wondering
about the possibility to bring up a single control module from CLI, in
R14 you need to use tdecmshell not kcmshell.
Cheers
Michele
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9:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
Michele Calgaro composed on 2015-02-24 17:36 (UTC+0900):
Felix Miata wrote:
...
> # kcmshell fonts
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-fonts-120.jpg (KDE3 or KDE4)
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-fonts-132.jpg (TDE
> 3.5.13)
> # kcmshell xserver
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-xserver-120.jpg (KDE3 or
> KDE4) http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-xserver-132.jpg
...
Not sure I understand the question exactly, but if you
are wondering
about the possibility to bring up a single control module from CLI, in
R14 you need to use tdecmshell not kcmshell.
You understood enough! I never could find *"infocenter", so there was no way
to search PS output to see a relevant name. Thanks for that! :-)
The result is a double-edged surprise. The minimum window widths are
nominally narrower, but the minimum heights are taller, and they are
cluttered by a needless left column that significantly counters the point of
having the individual applets. The old (quoted) and the new (below) have much
too much minimum whitespace:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-fonts-132.jpg
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-xserver-132.jpg
The excess approaches sensible as display density increases:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-fonts-180.jpg
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-xserver-180.jpg
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10:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
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On 02/24/2015 06:42 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Michele Calgaro composed on 2015-02-24 17:36
(UTC+0900):
While I agree that the left column is somehow a waste of space when a single
control module is invoked, I do not see
what is the problem with the height of the window. Even in the screenshots you posted, the
Fonts module is displayed
in full while the xserver is somehow using half the height it requires and adds a
scrollbar inside to be able to see
all the contents. Personally I prefer to have a bigger window (if it fits the screen)
displaying all the contents at
once instead of having a smaller one but having to scroll to look for information.
Having said that, I am aware that a (very) few windows have so many things in it that
displaying the full contents on
a 1368x768 (or 1024x768) monitor is not possible.
Regarding the left column, could you file an enhancement request on the bugszilla to
"hide the left column" when only
one control module is displayed? So we don't forget about it.
Cheers
Michele
Felix Miata wrote:
...
> # kcmshell fonts
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-fonts-120.jpg (KDE3 or KDE4)
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-fonts-132.jpg (TDE 3.5.13)
> # kcmshell xserver
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellK3-xserver-120.jpg (KDE3 or KDE4)
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE3513-xserver-132.jpg
...
Not sure I understand the question exactly, but
if you are wondering about the possibility to bring up a single
control module from CLI, in R14 you need to use tdecmshell not kcmshell.
You understood enough! I never could find *"infocenter", so there was no way to
search PS output to see a relevant
name. Thanks for that! :-)
The result is a double-edged surprise. The minimum window widths are nominally narrower,
but the minimum heights
are taller, and they are cluttered by a needless left column that significantly counters
the point of having the
individual applets. The old (quoted) and the new (below) have much too much minimum
whitespace:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-fonts-132.jpg
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-xserver-132.jpg
The excess approaches sensible as display density increases:
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-fonts-180.jpg
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-xserver-180.jpg
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25 Feb
25 Feb
12:28 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
Michele Calgaro composed on 2015-02-25 07:50 (UTC+0900):
Felix Miata wrote:
...
> The result is a double-edged surprise. The minimum
window widths are
> nominally narrower, but the minimum heights are taller, and they are
> cluttered by a needless left column that significantly counters the
> point of having the individual applets. The old (quoted) and the new
> (below) have much too much minimum whitespace:
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-fonts-132.jpg
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-xserver-132.jpg
> The excess approaches sensible as display density
increases:
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-fonts-180.jpg
> http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/kcmshellTDE14-xserver-180.jpg
While I agree that the left column is somehow a waste
of space when a
single control module is invoked, I do not see what is the problem with
the height of the window. Even in the screenshots you posted, the Fonts
module is displayed in full while the xserver is somehow using half the
height it requires and adds a scrollbar inside to be able to see all the
contents.
You misunderstood or overlooked my use of the word "minimum". Those
screenshots are of minimum sizes the windows would permit, which isn't
necessarily related to the windows' initial sizes, or any larger sizes that
would obviate any need for scrollbars. For my usual use, scrollbars are
*expected*.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/b317553kde.png is an example of my primary use of
these modules. Because they can not be shrunken below an arbitrary minimum
size, I usually need to place them overhanging the right edge and/or the
bottom edge of the desktop in order to limit their display of information
that is irrelevant to the reason for making the screenshot, and limit their
blocking of information I want showing. If they were able to be sufficiently
shrunken I would have considerably more flexibility in placing them.
Personally I prefer to have a bigger window (if it
fits the
screen) displaying all the contents at once instead of having a smaller
one but having to scroll to look for information.
That's perfectly reasonable, when you wish as much as possible to be shown in
the window, the opposite of my usecase.
...
Regarding the left column, could you file an
enhancement request on the
bugszilla to "hide the left column" when only one control module is
displayed? So we don't forget about it.
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2378
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words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
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3 Mar
3 Mar
10:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
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<...>
Sorry for the late reply, lack of time....
Ah ah, now I see what you mean by "minimum". Not sure how much work this
would require, we might have to modify all those modules one by one.
In the mean time, as an alternative, have you ever tried the "Shade"
functionality? This can easy hide windows when
not required.
Cheers
Michele
While I agree
that the left column is somehow a waste of space when a single control module is invoked,
I do not
see what is the problem with the height of the window. Even in the screenshots you
posted, the Fonts module is
displayed in full while the xserver is somehow using half the height it requires and adds
a scrollbar inside to
be able to see all the contents.
You misunderstood or overlooked my use of the word "minimum". Those screenshots
are of minimum sizes the windows
would permit, which isn't necessarily related to the windows' initial sizes, or
any larger sizes that would obviate
any need for scrollbars. For my usual use, scrollbars are *expected*.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/KDE/b317553kde.png is an example of my primary use of these
modules. Because they can not be
shrunken below an arbitrary minimum size, I usually need to place them overhanging the
right edge and/or the
bottom edge of the desktop in order to limit their display of information that is
irrelevant to the reason for
making the screenshot, and limit their blocking of information I want showing. If they
were able to be
sufficiently shrunken I would have considerably more flexibility in placing them.
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4 Mar
4 Mar
12:59 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
Michele Calgaro composed on 2015-03-04 07:47 (UTC+0900):
have you ever tried the "Shade"
functionality? This can easy hide windows when not required.
Google doesn't seem to be able to locate a definition of shade functionality.
I'm not looking to hide whole windows, only window contents irrelevant to the
reason for having the window open. When I have an X Server window open, there
are usually only two lines relevant to the reason for having it open.
Additional info is extraneous information that obfuscates that which is
important to my purpose.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
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3:22 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] what replaced kcmshell applets when kinfocenter removed?
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On 2015/03/04 09:59 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
Michele Calgaro composed on 2015-03-04 07:47
(UTC+0900):
The "shade" functionality is offered by some of the window styles and
basically reduces a window to the tile bar with a click of the mouse
and back with another click. "Stay on top" + "shade" is very
effective
is you need to hide a window for a short time to see another window
below. If you need, I can make a screenshot when I am back on a TDE
machine.
Cheers
Michele
have you ever tried the "Shade"
functionality? This can easy hide
windows when not required.
Google doesn't seem to be able to locate a definition of shade
functionality. I'm not looking to hide whole windows, only window
contents irrelevant to the reason for having the window open. When
I have an X Server window open, there are usually only two lines
relevant to the reason for having it open. Additional info is
extraneous information that obfuscates that which is important to
my purpose.
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