A few days ago we discussed rebuilding libarts from the Trinity sources.
Yet I would like clarification about all of the packages in the dependencies and libraries branch. Which are required, which are recommended, and what is an appropriate build order?
Dependencies:
Build order presumed to be as listed (please correct!):
tqt3 or qt3 (is there a reason to build the latter rather than the former?) tqtinterface (required) arts (required) dbus-1-tqt (required?) dbus-tqt (required?) tqca-tls (required?) libart-lgpl (required?/recommended?) avahi-tqt (recommended?) python-tqt (recommended?) sip4-tqt (recommended?) tqscintilla (recommended?)
Libraries:
Build order: as needed for various packages.
kipi-plugins (recommended? which packages?) libkdcraw (recommended? which packages?) libkexiv2 (recommended? which packages?) libkipi (recommended? which packages?) libksquirrel (recommended? which packages?) libtqt-perl (recommended? which packages?) mlt (recommended? which packages?) mlt++ (recommended? which packages?) pytdeextensions (required?/recommended? which packages?) python-trinity (required?/recommended? which packages?)
Second, are python-tqt, pytdeextensions, and python-trinity direct replacements for PyQt3 and PyKDE3? That is, do we stop building PyQt3 and PyKDE3?
Third, SIP is available on many/most distros. What is sip4-tqt just an add-on layer? When is that package required?
Fourth, seems libart is an oddball package. All of the others are installed but for most distros, libart from Trinity is an update/upgrade package process rather than an install.
Lastly, what is the deal with third-party/libreoffice?
I'll update the wiki as necessary once I'm no longer confused. :)
Thanks!
Darrell
tqt3 or qt3 (is there a reason to build the latter rather than the former?) no tqtinterface (required) arts (required) dbus-1-tqt (required?) required for some applications dbus-tqt (required?) required for some applications tqca-tls (required?) required for kopete otr add-on libart-lgpl (required?/recommended?) strongly recommend replacing distro
version with this fixed version
avahi-tqt (recommended?) yes, for tdebase python-tqt (recommended?) yes sip4-tqt (recommended?) yes tqscintilla (recommended?) yes
Libraries:
Build order: as needed for various packages.
kipi-plugins (recommended? which packages?) yes, image viewers such as
ksquirrel and gwenview IIRC
libkdcraw (recommended? which packages?)yes, image viewers such as
ksquirrel and gwenview IIRC
libkexiv2 (recommended? which packages?) yes, image viewers such as
ksquirrel and gwenview IIRC
libkipi (recommended? which packages?) yes, image viewers such as
ksquirrel and gwenview IIRC
libksquirrel (recommended? which packages?) yes, ksquirrel libtqt-perl (recommended? which packages?) yes, adept add-on mlt (recommended? which packages?) no mlt++ (recommended? which packages?) no pytdeextensions (required?/recommended? which packages?) yes, tde-guidance python-trinity (required?/recommended? which packages?)yes, tde-guidance
Second, are python-tqt, pytdeextensions, and python-trinity direct replacements for PyQt3 and PyKDE3? That is, do we stop building PyQt3 and PyKDE3?
Yes
Third, SIP is available on many/most distros. What is sip4-tqt just an add-on layer? When is that package required?
SIP won't build on TQt3 and as it requires Qt3 it will likely be dumped or moved to Qt4 only at some point by the host distros. All of the python-*-tqt-* packages need it to build.
Fourth, seems libart is an oddball package. All of the others are installed but for most distros, libart from Trinity is an update/upgrade package process rather than an install.
libart had no maintainer, so TDE ended up picking it up. It is just rotting in most distribution's archives waiting for a proper maintainer to pick it up, and since it is so small and also since tdebase relies on it I decided to pull it into GIT and fix it up.
Lastly, what is the deal with third-party/libreoffice?
That folder contains patches that add TDE support to the upstream LibreOffice sources. LibreOffice wants things done differently so they were not merged into the upstream LibreOffice GIT tree, but they will work just fine as-is if applied to the stock LO sources. ;-)
Hope this helps!
Tim
Hope this helps!
Indeed!
Questions: What are python-tqt and tqscintilla?
Let me verify I understand the facts before updating the wiki. Please --- everybody --- feel free to add more notes as this information will be moved to the wiki. :)
Recommended build order for Trinity dependencies:
Required: tqt3 (replaces Qt3; Qt3 without the tqtinterface layer is available but there is no compelling reason to build the latter) tqtinterface arts
Recommended: dbus-1-tqt (Required for some applications) (examples?) dbus-tqt (Required for some applications) (examples?) tqca-tls (Required for some applications, such as the Kopete OTR add-on) libart-lgpl (Strongly recommended to replace versions still used but unmaintained in most distros) avahi-tqt (Recommended but required when supporting DNS discovery services) python-tqt sip4-tqt (Required for building python related bindings for tdebindings) tqscintilla
Libraries:
None are required but all provide additional functionality for a variety of packages. These libraries must be built and installed before any packages using these libraries can take advantage of the additional functionality.
libkipi: required by kipi-plugins kipi-plugins: several high-end image viewers such as gwenview and digikam libkdcraw: several image viewers libkexiv2: several image viewers libksquirrel: required by ksquirrel libtqt-perl: adept add-on mlt: not required or supported at this time mlt++: not required or supported at this time pytdeextensions: replacement for PyQt3 and PyKDE3, and used by apps such as tdebindings and tde-guidance python-trinity: replacement for PyQt3 and PyKDE3, and used by apps such as tdebindings and tde-guidance
Notes:
Python-tqt, pytdeextensions, and python-trinity are direct replacements for PyQt3 and PyKDE3. There no longer is any need to build PyQt3 or PyKDE3.
Sip is available on many/most distros. However, Sip requires Qt3 but won't build on TQt3. More than likely down the road, Sip will be dumped or moved to Qt4 by distro maintainers. All of the python-*-tqt-* packages need sip to build. Build this TQt3 compatible version of Sip and replace the stock Sip installed with the distro.
libart-lgpl no longer is maintained upstream and needs several patches to avoid crashing some apps. The version of libarts provided by the Trinity Project includes those patches and is intended to be a replacement for any version of libarts currently installed by any distro. Build this patched version of libart and replace the stock libart installed with the distro.
Regarding Third-party/LibreOffice: This folder contains patches that add TDE support to the upstream LibreOffice sources. The patches allow LibreOffice to use Trinity dialog boxes. The patches have not been merged into the upstream LibreOffice GIT tree, but they work just fine as-is when applied to the stock LO sources. Obtaining the advantages of these patches requires rebuilding LibreOffice from sources.
Darrell
Darrell Anderson wrote:
libart-lgpl no longer is maintained upstream and needs several patches to avoid crashing some apps. The version of libarts provided by the Trinity Project includes those patches and is intended to be a replacement for any version of libarts currently installed by any distro. Build this patched version of libart and replace the stock libart installed with the distro.
Do you have a reference about it no longer being maintained? The most recent version is 2.3.21 from April 2010. That's not really old. Prior versions and dates are:
2.3.20 30-Jan-2008 2.3.19 28-Feb-2007
so it's not updated often, but it still gets updated occasionally.
Can you give me a pointer to the patches you mention? I can't find libart-lgpl in git.
Thanks.
-- Bruce
Do you have a reference about it no longer being maintained? The most recent version is 2.3.21 from April 2010. That's not really old. Prior versions and dates are:
2.3.20 30-Jan-2008 2.3.19 28-Feb-2007
so it's not updated often, but it still gets updated occasionally.
Tim is the expert on that.
Can you give me a pointer to the patches you mention? I can't find libart-lgpl in git.
http://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libart-lgpl/
Darrell
Darrell Anderson wrote:
libart-lgpl no longer is maintained upstream and needs several patches to avoid crashing some apps. The version of libarts provided by the Trinity Project includes those patches and is intended to be a replacement for any version of libarts currently installed by any distro. Build this patched version of libart and replace the stock libart installed with the distro.
Do you have a reference about it no longer being maintained? The most recent version is 2.3.21 from April 2010. That's not really old. Prior versions and dates are:
2.3.20 30-Jan-2008 2.3.19 28-Feb-2007
so it's not updated often, but it still gets updated occasionally.
One example of many: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155472#c4
Can you give me a pointer to the patches you mention? I can't find libart-lgpl in git.
Here it is in GIT: http://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libart-lgpl/log/
And here is a combination of all of the patches: http://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libart-lgpl/diff/?id=150562b89b645c402f1b...
Tim
Timothy Pearson wrote:
Darrell Anderson wrote:
libart-lgpl no longer is maintained upstream and needs several patches to avoid crashing some apps. The version of libarts provided by the Trinity Project includes those patches and is intended to be a replacement for any version of libarts currently installed by any distro. Build this patched version of libart and replace the stock libart installed with the distro.
Do you have a reference about it no longer being maintained?
One example of many: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155472#c4
That's clear enough, thanks.
And here is a combination of all of the patches: http://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libart-lgpl/diff/?id=150562b89b645c402f1b...
Did you create the changes? If not, where did you find them? Looking at the original source, the code looks very difficult to maintain. It really makes you appreciate C++.
-- Bruce
Timothy Pearson wrote:
Darrell Anderson wrote:
libart-lgpl no longer is maintained upstream and needs several patches to avoid crashing some apps. The version of libarts provided by the Trinity Project includes those patches and is intended to be a replacement for any version of libarts currently installed by any distro. Build this patched version of libart and replace the stock libart installed with the distro.
Do you have a reference about it no longer being maintained?
One example of many: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155472#c4
That's clear enough, thanks.
And here is a combination of all of the patches: http://git.trinitydesktop.org/cgit/libart-lgpl/diff/?id=150562b89b645c402f1b...
Did you create the changes? If not, where did you find them? Looking at the original source, the code looks very difficult to maintain. It really makes you appreciate C++.
No I did not; they were sitting on the libart bugzilla for a long time. I merged the ones that seemed to make sense.
While I don't think any of the TDE devs are going to touch the source code to improve functionality, we can at least act as a central collection point for patches, bugs reports, etc. Given the library's age I don't think much work beyond fixing future compilation errors or segfaults will be neeed.
Tim
On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 13:14:54 -0800 (PST) Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
A few days ago we discussed rebuilding libarts from the Trinity sources.
Yet I would like clarification about all of the packages in the dependencies and libraries branch. Which are required, which are recommended, and what is an appropriate build order?
Well, after a bunch of culling, here's an autogenerated partial dependency tree (3 levels) for kdebase according to my system:
kde-base/kdebase-meta-3.5.13: kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.13_p1183307 dev-util/cmake-2.8.4-r1 kde-base/kdesktop-3.5.13_p1183307 kde-base/libkonq-3.5.13_p1183307 kde-base/ksmserver-3.5.13_p1183307 dev-libs/dbus-tqt-3.5.13 kde-base/drkonqi-3.5.13_p1183307 sys-devel/gdb-7.2 kde-base/kcheckpass-3.5.13_p1183307 sys-libs/pam-1.1.5 kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.13_p1183307 net-fs/samba-3.5.11 virtual/libusb-0 dev-libs/libusb-0.1.12-r5 [or] dev-libs/libusb-compat-0.1.3 [or] sys-freebsd/freebsd-lib-9.0_rc1 sys-libs/libraw1394-2.0.4 kde-base/kdeprint-3.5.13_p1183307 app-text/enscript-1.6.4-r4 app-text/psutils-1.17 kde-base/kdm-3.5.13_p1183307 kde-base/kdebase-pam-7 sys-apps/dbus-1.4.16 kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.13_p1183307 media-libs/openexr-1.7.0 dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-r4
I haven't included dependencies which are part of X, or individual applications inside kdebase that have no additional dependencies. Since I hand-installed a minimal system, these are likely all mandatory or close to. Some dependencies may be missing: the same package for KDE 3.5.10 also lists freetype, fontconfig, openssl, perl, opengl, cups, eject, openldap, lm_sensors, glib, and a jre. Some of those are likely optional, though.
Dependencies:
Build order presumed to be as listed (please correct!):
tqt3 or qt3 (is there a reason to build the latter rather than the former?) tqtinterface (required) arts (required)
Recommended, rather--there is a flag for building without it, and everything does work as far as I can tell.
dbus-1-tqt (required?) dbus-tqt (required?)
One or both (I can't tell, because the packages aren't handled quite the same way for me) is required by ksmserver, as above.
libart-lgpl (required?/recommended?)
Dependency for kdelibs, ksvg, kdeartwork-kscreensaver, possibly some others I don't have installed. Unless there's some way of building kdelibs without it, I think we can call it "required".
libkdcraw (recommended? which packages?)
I'm not sure how many of these are KDE4 results, since I don't have the relevant packages installed and so am not sure of the versioning, but a query turned up calligra, krita, digikam, and kphotoalbum as depending on libkdcraw.
(I can give a shot at the other packages, but at >15 minutes to go through the entire Gentoo package tree for each library (assuming that the package names even match up and that the search doesn't crash out), I sure hope that someone else has a better idea.)
Dependencies:
Build order presumed to be as listed (please
correct!):
tqt3 or qt3 (is there a reason to build the latter
rather than the former?)
tqtinterface (required) arts (required)
Recommended, rather--there is a flag for building without it, and everything does work as far as I can tell.
dbus-1-tqt (required?) dbus-tqt (required?)
One or both (I can't tell, because the packages aren't handled quite the same way for me) is required by ksmserver, as above.
libart-lgpl (required?/recommended?)
Dependency for kdelibs, ksvg, kdeartwork-kscreensaver, possibly some others I don't have installed. Unless there's some way of building kdelibs without it, I think we can call it "required".
libkdcraw (recommended? which packages?)
I'm not sure how many of these are KDE4 results, since I don't have the relevant packages installed and so am not sure of the versioning, but a query turned up calligra, krita, digikam, and kphotoalbum as depending on libkdcraw.
Updated:
Recommended build order for Trinity dependencies:
Required: tqt3 (replaces Qt3; Qt3 without the tqtinterface layer is available but there is no compelling reason to build the latter) tqtinterface arts
Recommended: dbus-tqt (Required for some applications, such ksmserver in kdebase) dbus-1-tqt (Required for some applications, such ksmserver in kdebase) tqca-tls (Required for some applications, such as the Kopete OTR add-on) libart-lgpl (Required by many applications, such as kdelibs, ksvg, kdeartwork-kscreensaver) avahi-tqt (Recommended but required when supporting DNS discovery services) python-tqt sip4-tqt (Required for building python related bindings for tdebindings) tqscintilla
Libraries:
None are required but all provide additional functionality for a variety of packages. These libraries must be built and installed before any packages using these libraries can take advantage of the additional functionality.
libkipi: required by kipi-plugins kipi-plugins: several high-end image viewers such as gwenview and digikam libkdcraw: several image viewers and graphics apps, such as chalk and digikam libkexiv2: several image viewers libksquirrel: required by ksquirrel libtqt-perl: adept add-on mlt: not required or supported at this time mlt++: not required or supported at this time pytdeextensions: replacement for PyQt3 and PyKDE3, and used by apps such as tdebindings and tde-guidance python-trinity: replacement for PyQt3 and PyKDE3, and used by apps such as tdebindings and tde-guidance
Notes:
Python-tqt, pytdeextensions, and python-trinity are direct replacements for PyQt3 and PyKDE3. There no longer is any need to build PyQt3 or PyKDE3.
Sip is available on many/most distros. However, Sip requires Qt3 but won't build on TQt3. More than likely down the road, Sip will be dumped or moved to Qt4 by distro maintainers. All of the python-*-tqt-* packages need sip to build. Build this TQt3 compatible version of Sip and replace the stock Sip installed with the distro.
libart-lgpl no longer is maintained upstream and needs several patches to avoid crashing some apps. The version of libarts provided by the Trinity Project includes those patches and is intended to be a replacement for any version of libarts currently installed by any distro. Build this patched version of libart and replace the stock libart installed with the distro.
Regarding Third-party/LibreOffice: This folder contains patches that add TDE support to the upstream LibreOffice sources. The patches allow LibreOffice to use Trinity dialog boxes. The patches have not been merged into the upstream LibreOffice GIT tree, but they work just fine as-is when applied to the stock LO sources. Obtaining the advantages of these patches requires rebuilding LibreOffice from sources.
Darrell
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