I'm seeing this message in my xsession log. I added the [tdmctl] in a patch I have not yet submitted to clarify the source of the message. ========== Bug No. 1: ========== I am starting X/TDE from the command line through the startx script. TDM is not running and should not be in the big picture anywhere. In the code I found only two apps that call tdmctl: the TDM greeter and tsak. I rebuilt tdebase with -DBUILD_TSAK=OFF. The message then disappeared from my xsession logs. Culprit found but next needed a coding solution. In tdebase/tdmlib/tdmtsak.cpp there are two calls to tdmctl. Seems this message could be handled more gracefully to avoid the mysterious xsession messages. Patching "2>/dev/null" in the source code and rebuilding without -DBUILD_TSAK=OFF again eliminated the messages. But is that what we want? I don't know the specific purpose for the error message. Possibly the message is useful, but seems a more graceful approach is to test whether TDM is running before trying to execute the tdmctl command. I presume tsak remains useful when a session is started from the command line for when a user locks the session. If so then again, there should be a test before each call whether TDM is running. The error does not appear when TDM is running. I think a simple TDM trap test is all that is needed. In C++ how do I perform the equivalent of ps ax | grep tdm? Should tsak be running when TDM is not? ========== Bug No. 2: ========== Both calls to tdmctl in tdmtsak use the format "tdmctl list" yet there is no "list" option in tdmctl --help. What is the "list" parameter supposed to do? ========== Bug No. 3: ========== When I built tdebase without tsak support (-DBUILD_TSAK=OFF), and in my tdmrc I have UseSAK=false, TDM starts with the dialog to press Ctrl-Alt-Del. That should not happen. I will submit a bug report but I'd appreciate some conversation about the topic before filing to make sure I'm not missing anything obvious. Darrell