12 Mar
2011
12 Mar
'11
2:08 a.m.
Tim, All,
For a long time I used compiz with kde3 due to the efficient and elegant way
it allowed you to manage and manipulate your multiple desktops.
A majority of users have the default setting of 4 desktops, but never use
desktops 2-3-4 because there is no intuitive way to manipulate all desktops from
the keyboard. They just keep cramming all the windows they have open on desktop 1.
What compiz did was make use of the 'Win' key that is on 99% of the keyboards
now to allow easy desktop switching from the keyboard. This really makes using
desktops 2-4 efficient because you never have to reposition your hands from the
keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the pager or rt-click and choose another
desktop.
I know this is the nitty-gritty 'little-stuff', but that has always the
foundation of kde3 and it should continue in Trinity. I propose the following as
default keyboard shortcuts incorporating the 'Win' key. Try them out and you
will be amazed how much simpler switching desktops and moving windows between
desktops becomes using the keyboard. (the Win key is also in the correct
location to prevent losing your finger position over the 'F' and 'J' keys
and
completely having to reposition your hands after affecting a switch or move from
the keyboard.
Try these out in kdeglobals:
Walk Through Desktops=Win+Tab
Switch to Next Desktop=Win+Right
Switch to Previous Desktop=Win+Left
Window to Next Desktop=Win+Alt+Right
Window to Previous Desktop=Win+Alt+Left
I added this to ietherpad :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
12 Mar
12 Mar
2:33 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
I'd like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win
users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
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2:38 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
I'd like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu
because most Win
users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
So how about altering kpersonalizer? That way a user can select "Windows
style", where the Win key is bound to the menu, or "Linux Style", where
the Win key does something else.
Thoughts?
Tim
2:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 03/11/2011 08:38 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I think that is a good option. I have always viewed kmenu start and selection is
something I do with a mouse. The option would preserve user choice while opening
up the win key to be used in more than 1 way for the users that choose "Linux
Style"
Thinking out loud.......
Personally, I don't see why it can't do both. Tap the win key once -> you get
the menu, press it, followed by another key and you get the combination
behavior. Is there a reason it won't do both? The 'alt' key alone alread does
menu focus, why couldn't the win key alone just pop up the kmenu and still be
used with other combinations?
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
I'd like
to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win
users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
So how about altering kpersonalizer? That way a user can select "Windows
style", where the Win key is bound to the menu, or "Linux Style", where
the Win key does something else.
Thoughts?
Tim
3:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 3/11/11, David C. Rankin <drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/11/2011 08:38 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I think that is a good option. I have always viewed kmenu start and
selection is
something I do with a mouse. The option would preserve user choice while
opening
up the win key to be used in more than 1 way for the users that choose
"Linux Style"
Thinking out loud.......
Personally, I don't see why it can't do both. Tap the win key once -> you
get
the menu, press it, followed by another key and you get the combination
behavior. Is there a reason it won't do both? The 'alt' key alone alread
does
menu focus, why couldn't the win key alone just pop up the kmenu and still
be
used with other combinations?
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
All I do to switch between desktops (8 of them) is use my scroll wheel
on my mouse or ctrl tab (best way) or use the application button on
the taskbar (one must add it). Its very easy. Which is why I think
I've missed what David is trying to say?
Kate
I'd
like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win
users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
So how about altering kpersonalizer? That way a user can select "Windows
style", where the Win key is bound to the menu, or "Linux Style", where
the Win key does something else.
Thoughts?
Tim
3:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 03/11/2011 09:29 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
All I do to switch between desktops (8 of them) is use
my scroll wheel
on my mouse or ctrl tab (best way) or use the application button on
the taskbar (one must add it). Its very easy. Which is why I think
I've missed what David is trying to say?
I check the box for mouse-wheel switch too :)
What I was saying is that the key combinations proposed allow you to switch
desktops *without* moving your hands from the keyboard to grab the mouse...
It's just a no-cost efficiency tweak that can improve Trinity for keyboard users
while sticking true to the kde3 goal of most usefulness with minimum input. (and
also providing equivalent keyboard access to mouse features :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
5:48 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 3/11/11, David C. Rankin <drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/11/2011 09:29 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys
are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and
running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between
desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that
it?
Kate
.
All I do to switch between desktops (8 of them)
is use my scroll wheel
on my mouse or ctrl tab (best way) or use the application button on
the taskbar (one must add it). Its very easy. Which is why I think
I've missed what David is trying to say?
I check the box for mouse-wheel switch too :)
What I was saying is that the key combinations proposed allow you to switch
desktops *without* moving your hands from the keyboard to grab the mouse...
It's just a no-cost efficiency tweak that can improve Trinity for keyboard
users
while sticking true to the kde3 goal of most usefulness with minimum input.
(and
also providing equivalent keyboard access to mouse features :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
5:56 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
6:49 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 3/12/11, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already
exists. The keyboard keys
are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and
running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between
desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that
it?
Kate
Be careful here! On my system, for example, that shortcut only brings up
a list of all applications, with no indication of what desktop they are
on.
Tim
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the alt tab? Can you show me a screenshot?
Ctrl Tab usually is the one that brings up the applications list.
Ark Linux uses a vanilla KDE. No customization, rebranding, nothing.
Its as pure as you can get.
Kate
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
Look at Ark's kpersonalizer. We have two extra options. The Ark option
is a vanilla visual theme, but the keyboard shortcuts are changed
slightly. We also have two for Mac (classic and OSX) whereas vanilla
has one. Also, looking through the SRPMs, we have a couple patches to
make Mission Control integrate nicely. I think the point is that
different people are used to different things. Windows and Mac users
especially tend to be stuck in their ways due to limited choice and
high cost. I still find myself trying to push Win for the Kmenu and
Win+R for Run Command, and I haven't officially used Windows in four
years.
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Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
3:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 3/12/11, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Look at Ark's kpersonalizer. We have two extra
options. The Ark option
is a vanilla visual theme, but the keyboard shortcuts are changed
slightly. We also have two for Mac (classic and OSX) whereas vanilla
has one. Also, looking through the SRPMs, we have a couple patches to
make Mission Control integrate nicely. I think the point is that
different people are used to different things. Windows and Mac users
especially tend to be stuck in their ways due to limited choice and
high cost. I still find myself trying to push Win for the Kmenu and
Win+R for Run Command, and I haven't officially used Windows in four
years.
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Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
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Piki's
right. I completely forgot that I set the keyboard to mac
classic because it uses the keyboard more effectively.
Test it out, you will find it works better.
6:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 03/11/2011 11:48 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The
keyboard keys
are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and
running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between
desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that
it?
No, I got the alt+tab "Walk through applications", what I proposed was the
*addition* of "Walk through desktops" and Next/Previous desktop and
Next/Previous Desktop with window.
The proposals to *not* change any existing functionality -- they provide *new*
access to previously unassigned features :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
7:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 3/12/11, David C. Rankin <drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/11/2011 11:48 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
Up to speed. Thank you.
Kate
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists.
The keyboard keys
are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and
running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between
desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that
it?
No, I got the alt+tab "Walk through applications", what I proposed was the
*addition* of "Walk through desktops" and Next/Previous desktop and
Next/Previous Desktop with window.
The proposals to *not* change any existing functionality -- they provide
*new*
access to previously unassigned features :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
15 Mar
15 Mar
1:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
personaly, i hate all related to gui-"hang"-indows, so win key dont exist
for me...
.<
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On 3/12/11, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
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On 03/11/2011 11:48 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
the
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists.
The keyboard keys
are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and
running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between
desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that
it?
No, I got the alt+tab "Walk through applications", what I proposed was *addition* of "Walk through desktops"
and Next/Previous desktop and
Next/Previous Desktop with window.
The proposals to *not* change any existing functionality -- they provide
*new*
access to previously unassigned features :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Up to speed. Thank you.
Kate
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:44 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz
<mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
personaly, i hate all related to
gui-"hang"-indows, so win key dont exist
for me...
Then you don't have to use it. The idea is to make it set for those who use it.
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"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
8:41 p.m.
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On 03/15/2011 09:11 AM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:44 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz
<mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
For those that haven't used "walk though desktops" here is a screenshot of
what
it gives you (great visual of what is running on each desktop):
[14k]
http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/walkthrough-desktops.jpg
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personaly, i hate all related to
gui-"hang"-indows, so win key dont exist
for me...
Then you don't have to use it. The idea is to make it set for those who use it.
16 Mar
16 Mar
8:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop Manipulation
On 03/11/2011 08:08 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Walk Through Desktops=Win+Tab
Switch to Next Desktop=Win+Right
Switch to Previous Desktop=Win+Left
Window to Next Desktop=Win+Alt+Right
Window to Previous Desktop=Win+Alt+Left
In addition to the above, there is one more to add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
Makes getting windows out of your way a snap :)
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
17 Mar
17 Mar
12:54 a.m.
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On 03/16/2011 03:49 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2011 23:30:55 David C. Rankin
wrote:
No wonder your mind is so scrambled :)
Seriously - What key combo? The Win key by itself is unaffected. The Win key and
anything else except Alt, Tab, Left, Right and Down are unaffected. Does one of
those interfere?
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
In addition to the above, there is one more to
add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
I use Win to switch to Russian and back.
3:48 p.m.
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well.. its clarely these kinds of ideas are strategies to attract people
windosers.. actualy, the amount of windoze users such lately have changed
the environment of execution and philosophies linux, leaving the stability
and quality of functionality (mostly manual and very procedural) versus new
windoze-like features and eye-candy (a few useless commonly not too much
used), with strong ties to automation...
well, thanks good code can alter on user builds.. U_U
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:24 PM, David C. Rankin <
drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/16/2011 03:49 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
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On Wednesday 16 March 2011 23:30:55 David C.
Rankin wrote:
In addition to the above, there is one more to add:
No wonder your mind is so scrambled :)
Seriously - What key combo? The Win key by itself is unaffected. The Win
key and anything else except Alt, Tab, Left, Right and Down are unaffected.
Does one of those interfere?
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Minimize Window=Win+Down
I use Win to switch to Russian and back.
4:51 p.m.
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:54 AM, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/16/2011 03:49 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Mine as well, I also use either Left or Right Win keys (Press-Release)
to switch keyboard layouts.
On Wednesday 16 March 2011 23:30:55 David C. Rankin wrote:
No wonder your mind is so scrambled :) In addition to the above, there is one more to
add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
I use Win to switch to Russian and back.
Seriously - What key combo? The Win key by itself is unaffected. The Win key
and anything else except Alt, Tab, Left, Right and Down are unaffected. Does
one of those interfere?
Tried now assigning Win-1 and Win-Down combination to some global
shortcuts and unfortunately after using it, I found that keyboard
layout has been switched.
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2:56 a.m.
New subject: Mascot and logo, Proposal 1
This got missed at the meeting, so it's getting announced here: an initial
mascot and logo proposal.
The mascot doesn't have a name right now, just a cryptic designation of
L315 so it can be referred to as something until it has earned a name.
It represents the user's individual TDE installation, typically customized
to that user's needs, and as such, can be found in multiple strange
configurations and doing various things.
The Etherpad page is here:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/8
If you just want to look at a quick single image, here's L315 playing a
game with an Atari 2600 joystick: http://imagebin.org/143362 -- this is my
second favorite image so far.
I may add the plain image of L315 standing at attention at some point, but
I'm wondering if a better default pose is possible.
This includes a few situations and configurations of L315, and at the
bottom shows three applications of a simple and efficient logo derived
from L315. Logos need to be as simple as possible, and this one qualifies
as simple, and is directly tied to L315. My main worry is that there
might be someone else with a nearly identical logo that I don't know
about.
What I need from you: nits with the implementation of the concept, with
L315's configuration, with the logo in the three icon ideas, and possibly
with the entire base idea I'm working with. Suggestions for improving the
artwork only apply if you have immediately fallen in love with L315. 8)
Important thing to remember: Failed branding mascots are by definition
forgettable. We want to to be memorable.
James Gholston
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