Tim, All,
For a long time I used compiz with kde3 due to the efficient and elegant way it allowed you to manage and manipulate your multiple desktops.
A majority of users have the default setting of 4 desktops, but never use desktops 2-3-4 because there is no intuitive way to manipulate all desktops from the keyboard. They just keep cramming all the windows they have open on desktop 1.
What compiz did was make use of the 'Win' key that is on 99% of the keyboards now to allow easy desktop switching from the keyboard. This really makes using desktops 2-4 efficient because you never have to reposition your hands from the keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the pager or rt-click and choose another desktop.
I know this is the nitty-gritty 'little-stuff', but that has always the foundation of kde3 and it should continue in Trinity. I propose the following as default keyboard shortcuts incorporating the 'Win' key. Try them out and you will be amazed how much simpler switching desktops and moving windows between desktops becomes using the keyboard. (the Win key is also in the correct location to prevent losing your finger position over the 'F' and 'J' keys and completely having to reposition your hands after affecting a switch or move from the keyboard.
Try these out in kdeglobals:
Walk Through Desktops=Win+Tab
Switch to Next Desktop=Win+Right Switch to Previous Desktop=Win+Left
Window to Next Desktop=Win+Alt+Right Window to Previous Desktop=Win+Alt+Left
I added this to ietherpad :)
I'd like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
I'd like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
So how about altering kpersonalizer? That way a user can select "Windows style", where the Win key is bound to the menu, or "Linux Style", where the Win key does something else.
Thoughts?
Tim
On 03/11/2011 08:38 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'd like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
So how about altering kpersonalizer? That way a user can select "Windows style", where the Win key is bound to the menu, or "Linux Style", where the Win key does something else.
Thoughts?
Tim
I think that is a good option. I have always viewed kmenu start and selection is something I do with a mouse. The option would preserve user choice while opening up the win key to be used in more than 1 way for the users that choose "Linux Style"
Thinking out loud.......
Personally, I don't see why it can't do both. Tap the win key once -> you get the menu, press it, followed by another key and you get the combination behavior. Is there a reason it won't do both? The 'alt' key alone alread does menu focus, why couldn't the win key alone just pop up the kmenu and still be used with other combinations?
On 3/11/11, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/11/2011 08:38 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I'd like to see the Win key by itself do the kmenu because most Win users that bother with the Win key are used to that.
So how about altering kpersonalizer? That way a user can select "Windows style", where the Win key is bound to the menu, or "Linux Style", where the Win key does something else.
Thoughts?
Tim
I think that is a good option. I have always viewed kmenu start and selection is something I do with a mouse. The option would preserve user choice while opening up the win key to be used in more than 1 way for the users that choose "Linux Style"
Thinking out loud.......
Personally, I don't see why it can't do both. Tap the win key once -> you get the menu, press it, followed by another key and you get the combination behavior. Is there a reason it won't do both? The 'alt' key alone alread does menu focus, why couldn't the win key alone just pop up the kmenu and still be used with other combinations?
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
All I do to switch between desktops (8 of them) is use my scroll wheel on my mouse or ctrl tab (best way) or use the application button on the taskbar (one must add it). Its very easy. Which is why I think I've missed what David is trying to say?
Kate
On 03/11/2011 09:29 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
All I do to switch between desktops (8 of them) is use my scroll wheel on my mouse or ctrl tab (best way) or use the application button on the taskbar (one must add it). Its very easy. Which is why I think I've missed what David is trying to say?
I check the box for mouse-wheel switch too :)
What I was saying is that the key combinations proposed allow you to switch desktops *without* moving your hands from the keyboard to grab the mouse...
It's just a no-cost efficiency tweak that can improve Trinity for keyboard users while sticking true to the kde3 goal of most usefulness with minimum input. (and also providing equivalent keyboard access to mouse features :)
On 3/11/11, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/11/2011 09:29 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
All I do to switch between desktops (8 of them) is use my scroll wheel on my mouse or ctrl tab (best way) or use the application button on the taskbar (one must add it). Its very easy. Which is why I think I've missed what David is trying to say?
I check the box for mouse-wheel switch too :)
What I was saying is that the key combinations proposed allow you to switch desktops *without* moving your hands from the keyboard to grab the mouse...
It's just a no-cost efficiency tweak that can improve Trinity for keyboard users while sticking true to the kde3 goal of most usefulness with minimum input. (and also providing equivalent keyboard access to mouse features :)
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that it?
Kate
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A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that it?
Kate
Be careful here! On my system, for example, that shortcut only brings up a list of all applications, with no indication of what desktop they are on.
Tim
On 3/12/11, Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that it?
Kate
Be careful here! On my system, for example, that shortcut only brings up a list of all applications, with no indication of what desktop they are on.
Tim
This is with the alt tab? Can you show me a screenshot? Ctrl Tab usually is the one that brings up the applications list.
Ark Linux uses a vanilla KDE. No customization, rebranding, nothing. Its as pure as you can get.
Kate
Look at Ark's kpersonalizer. We have two extra options. The Ark option is a vanilla visual theme, but the keyboard shortcuts are changed slightly. We also have two for Mac (classic and OSX) whereas vanilla has one. Also, looking through the SRPMs, we have a couple patches to make Mission Control integrate nicely. I think the point is that different people are used to different things. Windows and Mac users especially tend to be stuck in their ways due to limited choice and high cost. I still find myself trying to push Win for the Kmenu and Win+R for Run Command, and I haven't officially used Windows in four years.
On 3/12/11, Kristopher Gamrat pikidalto@gmail.com wrote:
Look at Ark's kpersonalizer. We have two extra options. The Ark option is a vanilla visual theme, but the keyboard shortcuts are changed slightly. We also have two for Mac (classic and OSX) whereas vanilla has one. Also, looking through the SRPMs, we have a couple patches to make Mission Control integrate nicely. I think the point is that different people are used to different things. Windows and Mac users especially tend to be stuck in their ways due to limited choice and high cost. I still find myself trying to push Win for the Kmenu and Win+R for Run Command, and I haven't officially used Windows in four years.
-- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
Piki's right. I completely forgot that I set the keyboard to mac classic because it uses the keyboard more effectively. Test it out, you will find it works better.
On 03/11/2011 11:48 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that it?
No, I got the alt+tab "Walk through applications", what I proposed was the *addition* of "Walk through desktops" and Next/Previous desktop and Next/Previous Desktop with window.
The proposals to *not* change any existing functionality -- they provide *new* access to previously unassigned features :)
On 3/12/11, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/11/2011 11:48 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that it?
No, I got the alt+tab "Walk through applications", what I proposed was the *addition* of "Walk through desktops" and Next/Previous desktop and Next/Previous Desktop with window.
The proposals to *not* change any existing functionality -- they provide *new* access to previously unassigned features :)
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Up to speed. Thank you. Kate
personaly, i hate all related to gui-"hang"-indows, so win key dont exist for me...
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On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Katheryne Draven borgqueen4@gmail.comwrote:
On 3/12/11, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/11/2011 11:48 PM, Katheryne Draven wrote:
A keyboard only desktop switching already exists. The keyboard keys are Alt+tab, it brings up a menu showing the available desktop and running apps for each.
Unless you are unaware of the keyboard strokes to switch between desktops. I think perhaps a language barrier is in play here. Is that it?
No, I got the alt+tab "Walk through applications", what I proposed was
the
*addition* of "Walk through desktops" and Next/Previous desktop and Next/Previous Desktop with window.
The proposals to *not* change any existing functionality -- they provide *new* access to previously unassigned features :)
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Up to speed. Thank you. Kate
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:44 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz mckaygerhard@gmail.com wrote:
personaly, i hate all related to gui-"hang"-indows, so win key dont exist for me...
Then you don't have to use it. The idea is to make it set for those who use it.
On 03/15/2011 09:11 AM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:44 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz mckaygerhard@gmail.com wrote:
personaly, i hate all related to gui-"hang"-indows, so win key dont exist for me...
Then you don't have to use it. The idea is to make it set for those who use it.
For those that haven't used "walk though desktops" here is a screenshot of what it gives you (great visual of what is running on each desktop):
[14k] http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/walkthrough-desktops.jpg
On 03/11/2011 08:08 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Walk Through Desktops=Win+Tab
Switch to Next Desktop=Win+Right Switch to Previous Desktop=Win+Left
Window to Next Desktop=Win+Alt+Right Window to Previous Desktop=Win+Alt+Left
In addition to the above, there is one more to add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
Makes getting windows out of your way a snap :)
On 03/16/2011 03:49 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2011 23:30:55 David C. Rankin wrote:
In addition to the above, there is one more to add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
I use Win to switch to Russian and back.
No wonder your mind is so scrambled :)
Seriously - What key combo? The Win key by itself is unaffected. The Win key and anything else except Alt, Tab, Left, Right and Down are unaffected. Does one of those interfere?
well.. its clarely these kinds of ideas are strategies to attract people windosers.. actualy, the amount of windoze users such lately have changed the environment of execution and philosophies linux, leaving the stability and quality of functionality (mostly manual and very procedural) versus new windoze-like features and eye-candy (a few useless commonly not too much used), with strong ties to automation...
well, thanks good code can alter on user builds.. U_U
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:24 PM, David C. Rankin < drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/16/2011 03:49 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2011 23:30:55 David C. Rankin wrote:
In addition to the above, there is one more to add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
I use Win to switch to Russian and back.
No wonder your mind is so scrambled :)
Seriously - What key combo? The Win key by itself is unaffected. The Win key and anything else except Alt, Tab, Left, Right and Down are unaffected. Does one of those interfere?
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:54 AM, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/16/2011 03:49 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Wednesday 16 March 2011 23:30:55 David C. Rankin wrote:
In addition to the above, there is one more to add:
Minimize Window=Win+Down
I use Win to switch to Russian and back.
No wonder your mind is so scrambled :)
Mine as well, I also use either Left or Right Win keys (Press-Release) to switch keyboard layouts.
Seriously - What key combo? The Win key by itself is unaffected. The Win key and anything else except Alt, Tab, Left, Right and Down are unaffected. Does one of those interfere?
Tried now assigning Win-1 and Win-Down combination to some global shortcuts and unfortunately after using it, I found that keyboard layout has been switched.
Regards,
This got missed at the meeting, so it's getting announced here: an initial mascot and logo proposal.
The mascot doesn't have a name right now, just a cryptic designation of L315 so it can be referred to as something until it has earned a name.
It represents the user's individual TDE installation, typically customized to that user's needs, and as such, can be found in multiple strange configurations and doing various things.
The Etherpad page is here: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/8
If you just want to look at a quick single image, here's L315 playing a game with an Atari 2600 joystick: http://imagebin.org/143362 -- this is my second favorite image so far.
I may add the plain image of L315 standing at attention at some point, but I'm wondering if a better default pose is possible.
This includes a few situations and configurations of L315, and at the bottom shows three applications of a simple and efficient logo derived from L315. Logos need to be as simple as possible, and this one qualifies as simple, and is directly tied to L315. My main worry is that there might be someone else with a nearly identical logo that I don't know about.
What I need from you: nits with the implementation of the concept, with L315's configuration, with the logo in the three icon ideas, and possibly with the entire base idea I'm working with. Suggestions for improving the artwork only apply if you have immediately fallen in love with L315. 8)
Important thing to remember: Failed branding mascots are by definition forgettable. We want to to be memorable.
James Gholston
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