Debian Jessie (which is also the base for Devuan Jessie) moves to limited LTS June 6th. Stable TDE 14.0.4 does not support Debian Stretch. PSB TDE 14.0.5 supports Debian Stretch and reportedly works well, but there are still frequent updates which would tend to preclude rollout to stable deployments.
(Devuan Ascii which is based on Debian Stretch made RC on May 9th and should be Stable soon.)
What please is the plan for Stable TDE 14.0.5?
And what please is the plan for TDE 14.1.0 (which I have not tried).
Thanks,
--Mike
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On 2018/05/30 07:45 AM, Mike Bird wrote:
Debian Jessie (which is also the base for Devuan Jessie) moves to limited LTS June 6th. Stable TDE 14.0.4 does not support Debian Stretch. PSB TDE 14.0.5 supports Debian Stretch and reportedly works well, but there are still frequent updates which would tend to preclude rollout to stable deployments.
(Devuan Ascii which is based on Debian Stretch made RC on May 9th and should be Stable soon.)
What please is the plan for Stable TDE 14.0.5?
And what please is the plan for TDE 14.1.0 (which I have not tried).
Thanks,
--Mike
Hi Mike, R14.0.5 bug list has been frozen and there are currently 8 bugs remaining to be closed. Slavek and I have been discussing about it and we think there may be a release sometime in summer, once those bugs are fixed.
After that we plan to work on preparing a roadmap for R14.1.0, i.e. identifying the bugs to fix and a possible timeframe for release. It is about time anyway :-)
Cheers Michele
On Tue May 29 2018 20:45:48 Michele Calgaro wrote:
Hi Mike, R14.0.5 bug list has been frozen and there are currently 8 bugs remaining to be closed. Slavek and I have been discussing about it and we think there may be a release sometime in summer, once those bugs are fixed.
After that we plan to work on preparing a roadmap for R14.1.0, i.e. identifying the bugs to fix and a possible timeframe for release. It is about time anyway :-)
Cheers Michele
That helps a lot. Thank you devs all.
--Mike
On 05/29/2018 10:00 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
On Tue May 29 2018 20:45:48 Michele Calgaro wrote:
Hi Mike, R14.0.5 bug list has been frozen and there are currently 8 bugs remaining to be closed. Slavek and I have been discussing about it and we think there may be a release sometime in summer, once those bugs are fixed.
After that we plan to work on preparing a roadmap for R14.1.0, i.e. identifying the bugs to fix and a possible timeframe for release. It is about time anyway :-)
Cheers Michele
That helps a lot. Thank you devs all.
--Mike
Thank you for the feedback Mike!
My big concern is keeping both systemd and plasma out of my computer and I consider it a challenge seeing how trinity is probably being developed on computers with systemd installed and particularly as ubuntu has systemd locked-in. I'm willing to test development of trinity if it's motivated by no-systemd and no-kde5-framework, as kde3 was built is the best. Am I wrong in feeling most trinity users feel the same way?
Cheers,
On Wed May 30 2018 16:19:09 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
My big concern is keeping both systemd and plasma out of my computer and I consider it a challenge seeing how trinity is probably being developed on computers with systemd installed and particularly as ubuntu has systemd locked-in. I'm willing to test development of trinity if it's motivated by no-systemd and no-kde5-framework, as kde3 was built is the best. Am I wrong in feeling most trinity users feel the same way?
We're certainly no-systemd on principle and TDE seems to have done a great job of avoiding assimilation by the systemd Borg. I have no objection in principle to using some app from KDE 5 if we could make it work in TDE but at this time there's nothing we need from KDE 5.
Devuan has been very helpful. However Quagga is essential for our VPNs. Stretch Quagga was systemd-only but they recently restored SysV compatibility in Buster Quagga and that version works fine in Stretch / Ascii without any need for backporting, and just in time for Jessie EOL!
I don't want to go on too long because this is somewhat OT for TDE.
--Mike
On 05/30/2018 04:43 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed May 30 2018 16:19:09 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
My big concern is keeping both systemd and plasma out of my computer and I consider it a challenge seeing how trinity is probably being developed on computers with systemd installed and particularly as ubuntu has systemd locked-in. I'm willing to test development of trinity if it's motivated by no-systemd and no-kde5-framework, as kde3 was built is the best. Am I wrong in feeling most trinity users feel the same way?
We're certainly no-systemd on principle and TDE seems to have done a great job of avoiding assimilation by the systemd Borg. I have no objection in principle to using some app from KDE 5 if we could make it work in TDE but at this time there's nothing we need from KDE 5.
Devuan has been very helpful. However Quagga is essential for our VPNs. Stretch Quagga was systemd-only but they recently restored SysV compatibility in Buster Quagga and that version works fine in Stretch / Ascii without any need for backporting, and just in time for Jessie EOL!
Your post reminds me of what seems to be a minor bug, when I update apt, aptitude or synaptic I get error saying it was looking for ascii but found stretch, simple fix is to change trinity repos to stretch, but would be nice if the repos worked as ascii on a devuan ascii install.
Thanks,
On Thursday 31 of May 2018 03:40:10 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 05/30/2018 04:43 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed May 30 2018 16:19:09 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
My big concern is keeping both systemd and plasma out of my computer and I consider it a challenge seeing how trinity is probably being developed on computers with systemd installed and particularly as ubuntu has systemd locked-in. I'm willing to test development of trinity if it's motivated by no-systemd and no-kde5-framework, as kde3 was built is the best. Am I wrong in feeling most trinity users feel the same way?
We're certainly no-systemd on principle and TDE seems to have done a great job of avoiding assimilation by the systemd Borg. I have no objection in principle to using some app from KDE 5 if we could make it work in TDE but at this time there's nothing we need from KDE 5.
Devuan has been very helpful. However Quagga is essential for our VPNs. Stretch Quagga was systemd-only but they recently restored SysV compatibility in Buster Quagga and that version works fine in Stretch / Ascii without any need for backporting, and just in time for Jessie EOL!
Your post reminds me of what seems to be a minor bug, when I update apt, aptitude or synaptic I get error saying it was looking for ascii but found stretch, simple fix is to change trinity repos to stretch, but would be nice if the repos worked as ascii on a devuan ascii install.
Thanks,
Distributions for Devuan are in the repository as a simple symlink. Therefore, a warning for an unexpected distribution name is displayed because all files are identical to the equivalent Debian distribution.
In Preliminary Stable Builds repository, thanks to management by reprepro, I could maintain separate 'dists' files for Debian and Devuan over the same binary packages, however, in the official QuickBuild repository, something like that would be challenging.
Therefore, I hope this warning about the name of the distribution is not such a big problem.
Cheers
On Wed May 30 2018 19:05:57 Slávek Banko wrote:
Distributions for Devuan are in the repository as a simple symlink. Therefore, a warning for an unexpected distribution name is displayed because all files are identical to the equivalent Debian distribution.
In Preliminary Stable Builds repository, thanks to management by reprepro, I could maintain separate 'dists' files for Debian and Devuan over the same binary packages, however, in the official QuickBuild repository, something like that would be challenging.
Therefore, I hope this warning about the name of the distribution is not such a big problem.
This TDE Stable page is clear that Stretch should be used for Ascii:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instr...
A similar note could be included on this TDE PSB page:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
Guess it's time for me to create a Wiki account.
--Mike
On 05/30/2018 07:05 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
On Thursday 31 of May 2018 03:40:10 Jimmy Johnson wrote:
On 05/30/2018 04:43 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
Devuan has been very helpful. However Quagga is essential for our VPNs. Stretch Quagga was systemd-only but they recently restored SysV compatibility in Buster Quagga and that version works fine in Stretch / Ascii without any need for backporting, and just in time for Jessie EOL!
Your post reminds me of what seems to be a minor bug, when I update apt, aptitude or synaptic I get error saying it was looking for ascii but found stretch, simple fix is to change trinity repos to stretch, but would be nice if the repos worked as ascii on a devuan ascii install.
Distributions for Devuan are in the repository as a simple symlink. Therefore, a warning for an unexpected distribution name is displayed because all files are identical to the equivalent Debian distribution.
In Preliminary Stable Builds repository, thanks to management by reprepro, I could maintain separate 'dists' files for Debian and Devuan over the same binary packages, however, in the official QuickBuild repository, something like that would be challenging.
Therefore, I hope this warning about the name of the distribution is not such a big problem.
No, more a question than a problem, the problem, if any, probably lies in Devuan's release info needing to be changed/updated.
Thanks,
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Michele Calgaro -
Mike Bird -
Slávek Banko