12 Nov
2012
12 Nov
'12
12:10 a.m.
I built a new package set based upon GIT short version 8565 from yesterday (Saturday Nov.
10).
The menu item highlighting seems fixed both in Trinity and non Trinity apps.
The broken Alt key seems fixed in Trinity apps but not in non Trinity apps, or at least
not in Firefox. That is, sequentially pressing Alt, F does not open the File menu. I need
to concurrently press Alt+F in Firefox. Sequential pressing of Alt, F works in Trinity
apps.
I don't know where the problem might be to help debug.
Darrell
12 Nov
12 Nov
12:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT
I built a new package set based upon GIT short version
8565 from yesterday
(Saturday Nov. 10).
The menu item highlighting seems fixed both in Trinity and non Trinity
apps.
The broken Alt key seems fixed in Trinity apps but not in non Trinity
apps, or at least not in Firefox. That is, sequentially pressing Alt, F
does not open the File menu. I need to concurrently press Alt+F in
Firefox. Sequential pressing of Alt, F works in Trinity apps.
I don't know where the problem might be to help debug.
Darrell
Do you use the TDE/GTK theme engine? If so, try disabling it to see if
the problem disappears.
Tim
1:06 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT
I built a new
package set based upon GIT short version 8565 from yesterday
(Saturday Nov. 10).
The menu item highlighting seems fixed both in Trinity and non Trinity apps.
The broken Alt key seems fixed in Trinity apps but not in non Trinity
apps, or at least not in Firefox. That is, sequentially pressing Alt, F
does not open the File menu. I need to concurrently press Alt+F in
Firefox. Sequential pressing of Alt, F works in Trinity apps.
I don't know where the problem might be to help debug.
Do you use the TDE/GTK theme engine? If so, try disabling it to see if
the problem disappears.
1:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
Do you mean the gtk-qt-engine package? If yes, I
don't know
how to "disable" other than to remove the package. I tested
that and the sequential use of the Alt key still fails. I
don't use themes.
I tested in Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera, and LibreOffice
Writer. The sequential use of the Alt key fails on all. Only
concurrent Alt+F selects the File menu in non-Trinity apps.
As another test, I reverted to my GIT short version 8443
from Oct. 29-30. Same results. I don't know when the style
engine work began. I have some older package sets I could
test although removing and installing full package sets
takes a while.
Looks like the sequential Alt key is broken at least all the way back to 3.5.13. At least,
that usage won't work for me in my 3.5.13 virtual machine.
Slavek, would you please test 3.5.13.1? All you need do is open a non Trinity app, such as
Firefox, and sequentially press Alt then F. The File menu should open.
Darrell
2:06 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
Can confirm this sequential use fails in non-Trinity apps and functions in
Trinity apps. 3.5.13.1
Interestingly i get segfault for guest using the latest firefox-16 while
root works ok.
Jay
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
Do you mean
the gtk-qt-engine package? If yes, I don't know
how to "disable" other than to remove the package. I tested
that and the sequential use of the Alt key still fails. I
don't use themes.
I tested in Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera, and LibreOffice
Writer. The sequential use of the Alt key fails on all. Only
concurrent Alt+F selects the File menu in non-Trinity apps.
As another test, I reverted to my GIT short version 8443
from Oct. 29-30. Same results. I don't know when the style
engine work began. I have some older package sets I could
test although removing and installing full package sets
takes a while.
Looks like the sequential Alt key is broken at least all the way back to
3.5.13. At least, that usage won't work for me in my 3.5.13 virtual machine.
Slavek, would you please test 3.5.13.1? All you need do is open a non
Trinity app, such as Firefox, and sequentially press Alt then F. The File
menu should open.
Darrell
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2:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
Can confirm this sequential use fails in non-Trinity
apps and functions in Trinity apps. 3.5.13.1
Interestingly i get segfault for guest using the latest firefox-16 while root works ok.
And you use Slackware too. I tested in a Slackware 12.2 virtual machine running KDE
3.5.10. The sequential method failed there too. I hope this is not a Slackware-specific
problem. :)
Darrell
2:24 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
On Monday 12 of November 2012 02:42:06 Darrell Anderson wrote:
I have Iceweasel ESR series (10.0.10) and Alt + S (my File menu has name
Soubor) work fine.
Slavek
--
Do you mean
the gtk-qt-engine package? If yes, I don't know
how to "disable" other than to remove the package. I tested
that and the sequential use of the Alt key still fails. I
don't use themes.
I tested in Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera, and LibreOffice
Writer. The sequential use of the Alt key fails on all. Only
concurrent Alt+F selects the File menu in non-Trinity apps.
As another test, I reverted to my GIT short version 8443
from Oct. 29-30. Same results. I don't know when the style
engine work began. I have some older package sets I could
test although removing and installing full package sets
takes a while.
Looks like the sequential Alt key is broken at least all the way back to
3.5.13. At least, that usage won't work for me in my 3.5.13 virtual
machine.
Slavek, would you please test 3.5.13.1? All you need do is open a non
Trinity app, such as Firefox, and sequentially press Alt then F. The File
menu should open.
Darrell
2:31 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
I have Iceweasel ESR series (10.0.10) and Alt + S (my
File menu has name
Soubor) work fine.
By typing "Alt + S" did you mean you sequentially pressed Alt and then S or
concurrently pressed both keys?
I just tested in 3.5.10 and the sequential method fails there too but is okay in KDE
apps.
Darrell
2:37 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
On Monday 12 of November 2012 03:31:17 Darrell Anderson wrote:
Pressing Alt (and hold), plus pressing S => menu opens, both keys released :)
Slavek
--
I have
Iceweasel ESR series (10.0.10) and Alt + S (my File menu has name
Soubor) work fine.
By typing "Alt + S" did you mean you sequentially pressed Alt and then S or
concurrently pressed both keys?
I just tested in 3.5.10 and the sequential method fails there too but is
okay in KDE apps.
Darrell
2:54 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
Pressing Alt (and hold), plus pressing S => menu
opens,
both keys released :)
Yes, holding the Alt key works here too. Pressing Alt, releasing, pressing F (S), does
not. Pressing sequentially (separately) works in Trinity apps but not non Trinity apps.
Would you test again so we know whether this is a Slackware or generic bug?
Thanks.
Darrell
4:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
Pressing Alt
(and hold), plus pressing S => menu opens,
both keys released :)
Yes, holding the Alt key works here too. Pressing Alt,
releasing, pressing F (S), does not. Pressing sequentially
(separately) works in Trinity apps but not non Trinity
apps.
Would you test again so we know whether this is a Slackware
or generic bug?
5:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Latest GIT (Alt key broken)
I tested in 3.5.10 and pressing the Alt key,
releasing,
pressing the F key does not work. So this bug has been
around a long time.
Is this a bug? I tested directly in Xfce and sequential
pressing of the keys does not work there. I'm starting to
think this is a GTK problem, although Opera (Qt4) behaves
the same way. Perhaps sequential key presses is supported
only in Trinity apps?
Where does one start looking to debug this?
Some investigating reveals that although standard in the Windows world, many 'nix
based apps don't support this feature. In Trinity and KDE, the ability to highlight
the menu bar by only pressing the defined accelerator key is a feature of Qt and is
defined in $HOME/.qt/kstylerc:
[Settings]
MenuAltKeyNavigation=true
True is the default and does not need to be explicitly set.
Changing that key value to false disables the accelerator key such that the accelerator
key only works when pressed concurrently with a menu mnemonic key.
I tested the false value (requires restarting Trinity) and confirmed that pressing only
Alt no longer selects the menu and pressing Alt along with a menu mnemonic (for example,
Alt+F) still works as expected.
This configuration value is read in tdelibs/tdefx/kstyle.cpp.
I found a Firefox option that almost mimics this behavior:
ui.key.menuAccessKeyFocuses = true
The difference is in Trinity the first menu in the menu bar is selected but does not fully
open, which allows using a respective mnemonic key in the menu bar to open the desired
menu. In Firefox the entire first menu (File) is opened, which is kind of clumsy to then
use a mnemonic key to select a different menu.
I haven't found a generic way to have all non Trinity apps behave the same way as
Trinity apps when MenuAltKeyNavigation=true.
Does anybody know of a similar gtkrc option?
Darrell
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