It's a critical but difficult issue. But obviously the development of the best desktop environment that exists cannot be weighed down or stopped by personal issues. This is not a criticism to anyone, we should be grateful to those who have contributed even if today the lack of time or other personal reasons make them no longer active. But TDE development must continue, there are many people who use it (even if they seem invisible because they are not developers / contributors or do not participate in the mailing lists). A robust infrastructure system that is resilient to personal issues must be sought and put in place. It is necessary to deploy the infrastructure on quality servers that do not depend on a specific person, so I understand the two appropriate questions are "Are there people, companies or organizations that can provide infrastructure to the project?" (it is possible to search and contact those who support other free software projects of similar size and needs) and "If there is not enough server infrastructure provided free of charge for the deployment of all the infrastructure, what is the cost (monthly and annual) of paying for commercial servers with the necessary features?" (and consider the feasibility of a cash donation campaign).
Best regards.
De: Mike Bird mgb-trinity@yosemite.net Para: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Enviado: Miércoles 17 de abril de 2019 21:29 Asunto: Re: [trinity-devel] TDE Mirrors
On Wed April 17 2019 11:32:27 Slávek Banko wrote:
I understand that you are angry and you feel that we are wasting your efforts. You should know, that we very much appreciate your efforts. We also want things to happen better. We encounter the above problems more often, not just when the new version is released. And often we also feel lost efforts. Even so, we still try to do the best we can. But there are things that are simply not possible in the current situation. Something has to change.
Slávek,
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed response. I think a 14.0.6 announcement to -user and -devel would be worthwhile.
I will try to contact Tim (again).
I'm not going to rush any changes but medium-term if (a) we cannot reach Tim and (b) there is a consensus among all major contributors then I could consider changing the source for the primary mirror. (We feed all the secondary mirrors.)
Incidentally trinitydesktop.org domain registration expires in less than a year.
--Mike
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On 2019/04/19 07:52 PM, Alexis PM via trinity-devel wrote:
It's a critical but difficult issue. But obviously the development of the best desktop environment that exists cannot be weighed down or stopped by personal issues. This is not a criticism to anyone, we should be grateful to those who have contributed even if today the lack of time or other personal reasons make them no longer active. But TDE development must continue, there are many people who use it (even if they seem invisible because they are not developers / contributors or do not participate in the mailing lists) A robust infrastructure system that is resilient to personal issues must be sought and put in place. It is necessary to deploy the infrastructure on quality servers that do not depend on a specific person, so I understand the two appropriate questions are "Are there people, companies or organizations that can provide infrastructure to the project?" (it is possible to search and contact those who support other free software projects of similar size and needs) and "If there is not enough server infrastructure provided free of charge for the deployment of all the infrastructure, what is the cost (monthly and annual) of paying for commercial servers with the necessary features?" (and consider the feasibility of a cash donation campaign).
Best regards.
You have got to the point 100% Alexis. It is our concern as well and we have been thinking about a solution for quite a while. No need to worry :-) Cheers Michele
On Friday 19 of April 2019 12:52:02 Alexis PM via trinity-devel wrote:
It's a critical but difficult issue. But obviously the development of the best desktop environment that exists cannot be weighed down or stopped by personal issues. This is not a criticism to anyone, we should be grateful to those who have contributed even if today the lack of time or other personal reasons make them no longer active. But TDE development must continue, there are many people who use it (even if they seem invisible because they are not developers / contributors or do not participate in the mailing lists). A robust infrastructure system that is resilient to personal issues must be sought and put in place. It is necessary to deploy the infrastructure on quality servers that do not depend on a specific person, so I understand the two appropriate questions are "Are there people, companies or organizations that can provide infrastructure to the project?" (it is possible to search and contact those who support other free software projects of similar size and needs) and "If there is not enough server infrastructure provided free of charge for the deployment of all the infrastructure, what is the cost (monthly and annual) of paying for commercial servers with the necessary features?" (and consider the feasibility of a cash donation campaign).
Best regards.
I would say that regardless of the problems mentioned, the project is doing well. Here are some moments that make us already have services that are independent of the primary site:
At the beginning of 2014 there were problems on the primary site - the build of the packages was suspended. As an alternative to this situation, the Preliminary Stable Builds repository was created. This repository is completely independent of the primary server - in providing space and especially in building packages. Although building is not fully automated like QuickBuild, we are able to build packages and publish repositories independently of the primary site.
There was another important moment in the fall of 2015. We got as a donation from vpsFree.org one virtual machine (VPS). This VPS first served as a readonly mirror of GIT repositories (CGit web interface).
Another important task for VPS was to create a primary redirector. With optimizations and caches, this redirector helps significantly in releasing new releases. At the same time, it resolved access to packages in case of problems or outages on the primary site.
Another important moment was summer 2018. We launched Trinity Gitea Workspace (TGW) at the VPS. This service is also independent of the primary site. And now it works as a prime location for all our developers. I would say that thanks to TGW we have moved forward significantly over the last three quarters of the year.
Nowadays, there is another service on VPS that we will soon announce - a translation management tool.
As you can see, donating VPS from vpsFree.org has made a significant contribution to us. It is possible that the intended structural changes will require additional costs. However, we hope that we will be able to get support at community or personal level, that there will be no need to involve commercial entities.
Cheers
Slávek Banko wrote:
On Friday 19 of April 2019 12:52:02 Alexis PM via trinity-devel wrote:
It's a critical but difficult issue. But obviously the development of the best desktop environment that exists cannot be weighed down or stopped by personal issues. This is not a criticism to anyone, we should be grateful to those who have contributed even if today the lack of time or other personal reasons make them no longer active. But TDE development must continue, there are many people who use it (even if they seem invisible because they are not developers / contributors or do not participate in the mailing lists). A robust infrastructure system that is resilient to personal issues must be sought and put in place. It is necessary to deploy the infrastructure on quality servers that do not depend on a specific person, so I understand the two appropriate questions are "Are there people, companies or organizations that can provide infrastructure to the project?" (it is possible to search and contact those who support other free software projects of similar size and needs) and "If there is not enough server infrastructure provided free of charge for the deployment of all the infrastructure, what is the cost (monthly and annual) of paying for commercial servers with the necessary features?" (and consider the feasibility of a cash donation campaign).
Best regards.
I would say that regardless of the problems mentioned, the project is doing well. Here are some moments that make us already have services that are independent of the primary site:
At the beginning of 2014 there were problems on the primary site - the build of the packages was suspended. As an alternative to this situation, the Preliminary Stable Builds repository was created. This repository is completely independent of the primary server - in providing space and especially in building packages. Although building is not fully automated like QuickBuild, we are able to build packages and publish repositories independently of the primary site.
There was another important moment in the fall of 2015. We got as a donation from vpsFree.org one virtual machine (VPS). This VPS first served as a readonly mirror of GIT repositories (CGit web interface).
Another important task for VPS was to create a primary redirector. With optimizations and caches, this redirector helps significantly in releasing new releases. At the same time, it resolved access to packages in case of problems or outages on the primary site.
Another important moment was summer 2018. We launched Trinity Gitea Workspace (TGW) at the VPS. This service is also independent of the primary site. And now it works as a prime location for all our developers. I would say that thanks to TGW we have moved forward significantly over the last three quarters of the year.
Nowadays, there is another service on VPS that we will soon announce - a translation management tool.
As you can see, donating VPS from vpsFree.org has made a significant contribution to us. It is possible that the intended structural changes will require additional costs. However, we hope that we will be able to get support at community or personal level, that there will be no need to involve commercial entities.
Cheers
Thank you all, who make this possible. Following TGW I see how things are moving with lightspeed infront of my eyes (compared to bugzilla) and I admire this. I hope for the best of the project.
regards
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On 2019/04/22 07:52 AM, deloptes wrote:
Thank you all, who make this possible. Following TGW I see how things are moving with lightspeed infront of my eyes (compared to bugzilla) and I admire this. I hope for the best of the project.
Thanks Emanoil, TGW has made a big difference in our workflow, as you know well. And the VPS server too, in fact some of the services (TGW and translation framework) are only available there. Regardless of what happens with the main server and Tim, the project will survive :-)
Cheers Michele
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