On Sunday 03 June 2012 09:22:34 Darrell Anderson wrote: Please note that there is no such thing as "KDE4". I understand that you want to clean up the menu, but what you propose sounds like the wrong solution to the problem. Also none of the KDE Plasma Workspaces applications should appear in TDE's menu. If it does so, please report a bug against KDE to fix the desktop file. But I'm only aware of one application of the KDE Plasma Workspaces (systemsettings) and to my knowledge this is not shown in other workspaces as the GNOME environment shipps an application of same name. That means installing KDE Plasma Workspaces and TDE at the same time should not have any influence on the shown menu. Now I think that you got confused about the KDE Applications. But KDE Applications have nothing to do with the KDE Plasma Workspaces. If a user has installed a KDE application like e.g. Gwenview, it is a strong indication that she wants to use it, isn't it? Would you "hide" The Gimp, because it's not a TDE application, or Pidgin? Now a user does not know anything about "KDE" or "TDE" or "GNOME". Why should she? That means it does not make any sense to move all applications somehow related to the KDE Community into a KDE submenu and those of the GNOME community into a GNOME submenu. What you propose might reduce clutter, but it will make using TDE more difficult - especially as you try to perform a separation about something that does not exists, namely "KDE4". Please think about what you really want to achieve and how a good solution could look like. Cheers Martin who still reads the mailinglist in the hope to get KDE and TDE closer together again and who fears that such attempts will increase the shism instead of reducing it (Hint: my suggestion would be to elaborate for each application shipped by TDE and KDE whether it's still required to keep the TDE application ;-)