I am adding some missing toolbar icons for Ark. I have one remaining image to add:
tdeaccessibility/IconThemes/mono/scalable/actions/ark_deselectall.svgz
I want to add a diagonal line with rounded ends, like this png mockup:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/ark_deselectall.png
I tried karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is user-hostile. I am able to draw a diagonal line with libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to draw a line with rounded ends and found no help online.
By the way, libreoffice draw can't load svgz. The file needs to be decompressed and then the file loads.
To anybody who can help, use tdeaccessibility/IconThemes/mono/scalable/actions/ark_selectall.svgz as the foundation, add the diagonal line with rounded ends, and rename to ark_deselectall.svgz.
As always thanks again!
Darrell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
I am adding some missing toolbar icons for Ark. I have one remaining image to add:
tdeaccessibility/IconThemes/mono/scalable/actions/ark_deselectall.svgz
I want to add a diagonal line with rounded ends, like this png mockup:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/ark_deselectall.png
Try the attached.
I tried karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is user-hostile. I am able to draw a diagonal line with libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to draw a line with rounded ends and found no help online.
An examination shows that Karbon has no pen tool, which really should be added. It also has no obvious way to delete individual points from a shape (if it did have, you could have scribbled a pencil line then deleted the intermediate points to straighten it). These are pretty serious deficiencies for what's supposed to be a usable vector editing application.
Try the attached.
Thank you so much! Looks great and exactly like I wanted. :-)
I tried karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is
user-hostile. I am able to draw a diagonal line with
libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to draw a
line with rounded ends and found no help online.
An examination shows that Karbon has no pen tool, which really should be added. It also has no obvious way to delete individual points from a shape (if it did have, you could have scribbled a pencil line then deleted the intermediate points to straighten it). These are pretty serious deficiencies for what's supposed to be a usable vector editing application.
Thank you for your observations. I won't pretend to have much knowledge about drawing apps and therefore won't pretend I have standing to complain. But basics are basics and new users should be able at least to draw a simple line.
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still can't draw a line with rounded ends. I drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I realized libreoffice draw had changed the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the image. Not sure what is up with that. Yet as a basic drawing app, I think I can learn and adapt to libreoffice draw. Too bad karbon can't do the basics.
Darrell
On 06/22/2012 11:15 AM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
Thank you for your observations. I won't pretend to have much knowledge about drawing apps and therefore won't pretend I have standing to complain. But basics are basics and new users should be able at least to draw a simple line.
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still can't draw a line with rounded ends. I drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I realized libreoffice draw had changed the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the image. Not sure what is up with that. Yet as a basic drawing app, I think I can learn and adapt to libreoffice draw. Too bad karbon can't do the basics.
Darrell
Darrell,
With inkscape, you can just draw the line, select properties, and choose rounded line ends. Inkscape might be your friend here :)
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
Try the attached.
Thank you so much! Looks great and exactly like I wanted. :-)
I tried karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is
user-hostile. I am able to draw a diagonal line with
libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to draw a
line with rounded ends and found no help online.
An examination shows that Karbon has no pen tool, which really should be added. It also has no obvious way to delete individual points from a shape (if it did have, you could have scribbled a pencil line then deleted the intermediate points to straighten it). These are pretty serious deficiencies for what's supposed to be a usable vector editing application.
Thank you for your observations. I won't pretend to have much knowledge about drawing apps and therefore won't pretend I have standing to complain. But basics are basics and new users should be able at least to draw a simple line.
Agreed. The koffice Karbon seems to have been released before it was really ready.
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still can't draw a line with rounded ends. I drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I realized libreoffice draw had changed the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the image. Not sure what is up with that.
Incomplete support of the SVG standard, maybe?
Yet as a basic drawing app, I think I can learn and adapt to libreoffice draw. Too bad karbon can't do the basics.
One question that comes to mind with respect to Karbon is, was any of the missing functionality added in the Calligra version? And if so, can any of it be backported?
I'm tempted to file a Karbon mega-bug for milestone "Future" (as in, to be tackled when/if we have enough devs that some can be spared for nonessentials), with an interface mockup and a list of missing functionality.
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still
can't draw a line with rounded ends. I
drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I
realized libreoffice draw had changed
the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the
image. Not sure what is up with that.
Incomplete support of the SVG standard, maybe?
I don't know. I thought about filing a bug report for that particular image, but I want to know more to ensure this is not a PEBKAC issue. :-)
One question that comes to mind with respect to Karbon is, was any of the missing functionality added in the Calligra version? And if so, can any of it be backported?
I don't know but probably. For me, I don't care that we provide significant attention to the koffice apps, but they should all at least be functional. I rather we ripped karbon from the sources than provide crippled software that ends up being embarrassing to us.
I'm tempted to file a Karbon mega-bug for milestone "Future" (as in, to be tackled when/if we have enough devs that some can be spared for nonessentials), with an interface mockup and a list of missing functionality.
Sounds like a good idea. With a punch list in the bug tracker we know where to focus. First item is add a pencil tool. :-)
I don't know how these vector drawing apps are supposed to work, but with karbon I notice there is a limit to ungrouping. At that point I am clueless how to work with that final "element" or whatever is the correct term. For example, in the ark image you created, the outside border is actually smaller "dashes." At one point I wanted to grab only one of those dashes and stretch into a longer diagonal line --- because of the rounded ends. Perhaps the problem is how I think about these things because I don't use these apps.
Regardless, you and the other artists here can create a good punch list. My role is limited to testing and playing the WTF game because I don't know how to use these apps.
Oh, one more item for the punch list: a help handbook. :-)
Darrell
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still
can't draw a line with rounded ends. I
drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I
realized libreoffice draw had changed
the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the
image. Not sure what is up with that.
Incomplete support of the SVG standard, maybe?
I don't know. I thought about filing a bug report for that particular image, but I want to know more to ensure this is not a PEBKAC issue. :-)
I think it's ignoring part of the border's style information--see below for what I think the border actually is.
One question that comes to mind with respect to Karbon is, was any of the missing functionality added in the Calligra version? And if so, can any of it be backported?
I don't know but probably. For me, I don't care that we provide significant attention to the koffice apps, but they should all at least be functional. I rather we ripped karbon from the sources than provide crippled software that ends up being embarrassing to us.
Well, we could downgrade its version to XX.0.0-alpha. That would permit us to continue shipping it while acknowledging that it's problematic.
I'm tempted to file a Karbon mega-bug for milestone "Future" (as in, to be tackled when/if we have enough devs that some can be spared for nonessentials), with an interface mockup and a list of missing functionality.
Sounds like a good idea. With a punch list in the bug tracker we know where to focus. First item is add a pencil tool. :-)
Bug 1064: "Karbon functionality and UI improvements needed" filed, listing the deficiencies that I'm aware of at this time. I'll look at building an interface mockup when I have more time (might be QT4, but it'll be enough to get the idea across).
I don't know how these vector drawing apps are supposed to work, but with karbon I notice there is a limit to ungrouping. At that point I am clueless how to work with that final "element" or whatever is the correct term. For example, in the ark image you created, the outside border is actually smaller "dashes." At one point I wanted to grab only one of those dashes and stretch into a longer diagonal line --- because of the rounded ends. Perhaps the problem is how I think about these things because I don't use these apps.
I'm pretty sure the outside border of that particular image is a single line with a dash style applied, not a series of shorter lines. Extracting a single dash-bit in Inkscape would require two non-obvious actions (Object > Stroke to Path, Object > Break Apart), neither of which Karbon appears to support. (I don't consider that a deficiency in Karbon per se, as those are more advanced functions which aren't strictly necessary for a basic editor.)
Well, we could downgrade its version to XX.0.0-alpha. That would permit us to continue shipping it while acknowledging that it's problematic.
Let's keep that in mind. We need to let users know that karbon is not production-ready, even for graphics bozos like me. :-)
If we find some improvements in newer versions of karbon that we can backport, then perhaps we avoid the version downgrade. Likewise if we find documentation that helps learn some methods to the madness.
Bug 1064: "Karbon functionality and UI improvements needed" filed, listing the deficiencies that I'm aware of at this time. I'll look at building an interface mockup when I have more time (might be QT4, but it'll be enough to get the idea across).
I'm pretty sure the outside border of that particular image is a single line with a dash style applied, not a series of shorter lines. Extracting a single dash-bit in Inkscape would require two non-obvious actions (Object > Stroke to Path, Object > Break Apart), neither of which Karbon appears to support. (I don't consider that a deficiency in Karbon per se, as those are more advanced functions which aren't strictly necessary for a basic editor.)
Bug report 1064 looks like a good start. I added some notes to the report.
Darrell
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