21 Jun
2012
21 Jun
'12
11:15 p.m.
I am adding some missing toolbar icons for Ark. I have one remaining image to add:
tdeaccessibility/IconThemes/mono/scalable/actions/ark_deselectall.svgz
I want to add a diagonal line with rounded ends, like this png mockup:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/ark_deselectall.png
I tried karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is user-hostile. I am able to draw
a diagonal line with libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to draw a line with
rounded ends and found no help online.
By the way, libreoffice draw can't load svgz. The file needs to be decompressed and
then the file loads.
To anybody who can help, use
tdeaccessibility/IconThemes/mono/scalable/actions/ark_selectall.svgz as the foundation,
add the diagonal line with rounded ends, and rename to ark_deselectall.svgz.
As always thanks again!
Darrell
22 Jun
22 Jun
2:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:15:43 -0700 (PDT)
Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I am adding some missing toolbar icons for Ark. I have
one remaining image to add:
tdeaccessibility/IconThemes/mono/scalable/actions/ark_deselectall.svgz
I want to add a diagonal line with rounded ends, like this png mockup:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/ark_deselectall.png
Try the attached.
I tried karbon, but I'm beginning to believe
karbon is user-hostile. I am able to draw a diagonal line with
libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to draw a line with rounded ends and found
no help online.
An examination shows that Karbon has no pen tool, which really should be added.
It also has no obvious way to delete individual points from a shape (if it did have, you
could have scribbled a pencil line then deleted the intermediate points to straighten
it).
These are pretty serious deficiencies for what's supposed to be a usable vector
editing application.
4:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
Try the attached.
Thank you so much! Looks great and exactly like I wanted. :-)
I tried
karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is
user-hostile. I am able to draw
a diagonal line with
libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to
draw a
line with rounded ends and found no help online.
An examination shows that Karbon has no pen tool, which
really should be added. It also has no obvious way to delete individual points from
a shape (if it did have, you could have scribbled a pencil line then deleted the
intermediate points to straighten it). These are pretty serious deficiencies for
what's supposed to
be a usable vector editing application. 
4:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
On 06/22/2012 11:15 AM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
Thank you for your observations. I won't pretend
to have much knowledge about drawing apps and therefore won't pretend I have standing
to complain. But basics are basics and new users should be able at least to draw a simple
line.
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still can't draw a line with rounded
ends. I drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I realized libreoffice draw
had changed the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the image. Not
sure what is up with that. Yet as a basic drawing app, I think I can learn and adapt to
libreoffice draw. Too bad karbon can't do the basics.
Darrell
Darrell,
With inkscape, you can just draw the line, select properties, and choose
rounded line ends. Inkscape might be your friend here :)
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
5:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you for your observations. I won't pretend to have much knowledge about drawing
apps
and therefore won't pretend I have standing to complain. But basics are basics and new
users
should be able at least to draw a simple line.
Agreed. The koffice Karbon seems to have been released before it was really ready.
Try the
attached.
Thank you so much! Looks great and exactly like I wanted. :-)
I tried
karbon, but I'm beginning to believe karbon is
user-hostile. I am able to draw
a diagonal line with
libreoffice draw, but I cannot figure out how to
draw a
line with rounded ends and found no help online.
An examination shows that Karbon has no pen tool, which
really should be added. It also has no obvious way to delete individual points from
a shape (if it did have, you could have scribbled a pencil line then deleted the
intermediate points to straighten it). These are pretty serious deficiencies for
what's supposed to
be a usable vector editing application. I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still
can't draw a line with rounded ends. I
drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice until I realized libreoffice draw had
changed
the borders from "dashed" to solid/full all around the image. Not sure what is
up with that.
Incomplete support of the SVG standard, maybe?
Yet as a basic drawing app, I think I can learn and
adapt to libreoffice draw. Too bad karbon
can't do the basics.
One question that comes to mind with respect to Karbon is, was any of the
missing functionality added in the Calligra version? And if so, can any of it
be backported?
I'm tempted to file a Karbon mega-bug for milestone "Future" (as in, to be
tackled when/if we have enough devs that some can be spared for
nonessentials), with an interface mockup and a list of missing functionality.
6:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
I tinkered
some more with libreoffice draw, but still
can't draw a line with rounded ends.
I
drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice
until I
realized libreoffice draw had changed
the borders from "dashed" to solid/full
all around the
image. Not sure what is up with that.
Incomplete support of the SVG standard, maybe? One question that comes to mind with respect to Karbon
is,
was any of the missing functionality added in the Calligra version?
And if so, can any of it be backported?
I don't know but probably. For me, I don't care that we provide significant
attention to the koffice apps, but they should all at least be functional. I rather we
ripped karbon from the sources than provide crippled software that ends up being
embarrassing to us.
I'm tempted to file a Karbon mega-bug for
milestone "Future"
(as in, to be tackled when/if we have enough devs that some can be spared
for nonessentials), with an interface mockup and a list of
missing functionality.
Sounds like a good idea. With a punch list in the bug tracker we know where to focus.
First item is add a pencil tool. :-)
I don't know how these vector drawing apps are supposed to work, but with karbon I
notice there is a limit to ungrouping. At that point I am clueless how to work with that
final "element" or whatever is the correct term. For example, in the ark image
you created, the outside border is actually smaller "dashes." At one point I
wanted to grab only one of those dashes and stretch into a longer diagonal line ---
because of the rounded ends. Perhaps the problem is how I think about these things because
I don't use these apps.
Regardless, you and the other artists here can create a good punch list. My role is
limited to testing and playing the WTF game because I don't know how to use these
apps.
Oh, one more item for the punch list: a help handbook. :-)
Darrell
8:08 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't know. I thought about filing a bug report for that particular image, but I
want to know more to ensure this is not a PEBKAC issue. :-)
I think it's ignoring part of the border's style information--see below for
what I think the border actually is.
Well, we could downgrade its version to XX.0.0-alpha. That would
permit us to continue shipping it while acknowledging that it's
problematic.
Bug 1064: "Karbon functionality and UI improvements needed" filed, listing the
deficiencies that I'm aware of at this time. I'll look at building an interface
mockup when I have more time (might be QT4, but it'll be enough to
get the idea across).
I tinkered some more with libreoffice draw, but still
can't draw a line with rounded ends. I
drew a rectangle with round edges. Looked nice
until I
realized libreoffice draw had changed
the borders from "dashed" to solid/full
all around the
image. Not sure what is up with that.
Incomplete support of the SVG standard, maybe? One question
that comes to mind with respect to Karbon is,
was any of the missing functionality added in the Calligra version?
And if so, can any of it be backported?
I don't know but probably. For me, I don't care that we provide significant
attention to the koffice apps, but they should all at least be functional. I rather
we ripped karbon from the sources than provide crippled software that ends up
being embarrassing to us. I'm
tempted to file a Karbon mega-bug for milestone "Future"
(as in, to be tackled when/if we have enough devs that some can be spared
for nonessentials), with an interface mockup and a list of
missing functionality.
Sounds like a good idea. With a punch list in the bug tracker we know where
to focus. First item is add a pencil tool. :-) I don't know how these vector drawing apps are
supposed to work, but with karbon
I notice there is a limit to ungrouping. At that point I am clueless how to work with that
final "element" or whatever is the correct term. For example, in the ark image
you created,
the outside border is actually smaller "dashes." At one point I wanted to grab
only one of
those dashes and stretch into a longer diagonal line --- because of the rounded ends.
Perhaps the problem is how I think about these things because I don't use these apps.
I'm pretty sure the outside border of that particular image is a single line with a
dash style applied, not a series of shorter lines. Extracting a single dash-bit in
Inkscape would require two non-obvious actions (Object > Stroke to Path,
Object > Break Apart), neither of which Karbon appears to support. (I don't
consider that a deficiency in Karbon per se, as those are more advanced functions
which aren't strictly necessary for a basic editor.)
9:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Graphics help requested
Well, we could downgrade its version to XX.0.0-alpha.
That would permit us to continue shipping it while acknowledging that
it's problematic.
Let's keep that in mind. We need to let users know that karbon is not
production-ready, even for graphics bozos like me. :-)
If we find some improvements in newer versions of karbon that we can backport, then
perhaps we avoid the version downgrade. Likewise if we find documentation that helps learn
some methods to the madness.
Bug 1064: "Karbon functionality and UI
improvements needed"
filed, listing the deficiencies that I'm aware of at this time. I'll look
at building an interface mockup when I have more time (might be QT4, but it'll be
enough to get the idea across).
I'm pretty sure the outside border of that particular image
is a single line with a dash style applied, not a series of shorter lines.
Extracting a single dash-bit in Inkscape would require two non-obvious actions (Object
>
Stroke to Path, Object > Break Apart), neither of which Karbon appears to
support. (I don't consider that a deficiency in Karbon per se, as those are
more advanced functions which aren't strictly necessary for a basic editor.)
Bug report 1064 looks like a good start. I added some notes to the report.
Darrell
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