Yes, improving kaboodle to support all modern formats is a huge bite. Short term we only need to debug and patch why kaboodle is failing with even the older formats. That provides us some temproary breathing room. If we do this then we might consider pulling kaboodle from the sources and abandon kaboodle. I'm not against the idea of pulling kmplayer into tdemultimedia, but another option is we promote kmplayer as part of the base package set. If we start promoting kmplayer, I'm in favor of a name change. Same as kmplayer: we promote kaffeine as part of the standard package set. Darrell