14 Dec
2017
14 Dec
'17
3:16 p.m.
Hi all - especially Slavec and Tim :-)
I don't know if somebody is on the devuan mailinglist, so I'll place this link
here:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20171214.132959.b8c0d989.en.html
Could TDE provide official packages or a an official repository for devuan ascii, as
KatolaZ ( KatolaZ <katolaz(a)freaknet.org> ) is asking for (see posting below)?
As fas as I can tell, Slavecs repository has been stable for ages now, and it works
perfectly with ascii. So ... take the chance?
Nik
Am Donnerstag, 14. Dezember 2017 schrieb KatolaZ:
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 03:17:22PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
[cut]
Hi,
I agree, but this just depends on the availability of the TDE team to
package it for Devuan. I don't think we have the workforce to do that,
atm.
Hope this makes sense.
KatolaZ
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During the sprint, you might also be asked to try/test/check theming
material, new packages, provisional installation material, and the
like. Thanks in advance for any help you will be able to provide.
Come on: let's put ASCII out.
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@ KDE: KDE3 continued as TDE aka trinitydesktop.org https://trinitydesktop.org/ works
perfect on jessie. It would be very nice, if it could be included as an alternative DE for
all those who like KDE3 but dislike all newer KDE incarnations and the GTK3-stuff.
14 Dec
14 Dec
5:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
Hi Nik,
Devuan Ascii is the equivalent of Debian Stretch. Currently, TDE official
packages for Debian Stretch are not yet available. For now, the only
option is to use Preliminary Stable Builds repository. And the same
repository can also be used for Devuan - packages for Debian can be used
on Devuan without modification. See:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
There is one new information: Now you can use the mirror of Preliminary
Stable Builds repository located on the official TDE server! Instead of
http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb you can now use
http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb
Is this information sufficient for this moment?
Cheers
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On Thursday 14 of December 2017 16:16:32 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all - especially Slavec and Tim :-)
I don't know if somebody is on the devuan mailinglist, so I'll place
this link here:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20171214.132959.b8c0d989.en.html
Could TDE provide official packages or a an official repository for
devuan ascii, as KatolaZ ( KatolaZ <katolaz(a)freaknet.org> ) is asking
for (see posting below)?
As fas as I can tell, Slavecs repository has been stable for ages now,
and it works perfectly with ascii. So ... take the chance?
Nik
Am Donnerstag, 14. Dezember 2017 schrieb KatolaZ:
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 03:17:22PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > > During the sprint, you might also be asked to try/test/check
> > > theming material, new packages, provisional installation
> > > material, and the like. Thanks in advance for any help you will
> > > be able to provide.
> > >
> > > Come on: let's put ASCII out.
> > >
> > > The Dev1Devs
> >
> > @ KDE: KDE3 continued as TDE aka trinitydesktop.org
> > https://trinitydesktop.org/ works perfect on jessie. It would be
> > very nice, if it could be included as an alternative DE for all
> > those who like KDE3 but dislike all newer KDE incarnations and the
> > GTK3-stuff.
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree, but this just depends on the availability of the TDE team to
> package it for Devuan. I don't think we have the workforce to do
> that, atm.
>
> Hope this makes sense.
>
> KatolaZ
15 Dec
15 Dec
9:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
Hi Slavek,
Am Donnerstag, 14. Dezember 2017 schrieb Slávek Banko:
Hi Nik,
Devuan Ascii is the equivalent of Debian Stretch. Currently, TDE official
packages for Debian Stretch are not yet available. For now, the only
option is to use Preliminary Stable Builds repository. And the same
repository can also be used for Devuan - packages for Debian can be used
on Devuan without modification. See:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Preliminary_Stable_Builds
There is one new information: Now you can use the mirror of Preliminary
Stable Builds repository located on the official TDE server! Instead of
http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb you can now use
http://mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org/trinity-sb
Is this information sufficient for this moment?
Cheers
I've switched to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org, thank you.
Now this is where I have some problems with my workflow:
I cloned "tde-packaging", switched to r14.0.x. Then I cloned "tqt3",
"cd tqt3", "cp ../tde-packaging/debian/squeeze/dependencies/tqt3/debian
.". Now "debuild -b -uc -us" builds the packages without errors.
Is this the intend way to build debian packages or is there a beter way?
I ask, because if I understand the devuan build process correct (
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 ), then I have to build a repository per
subproject with "tde"+"tde-packaging" merged togather. No big deal,
but could get interesting :-)
Nik
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10:17 p.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I cloned "tde-packaging", switched to
r14.0.x. Then I cloned "tqt3", "cd
tqt3", "cp ../tde-packaging/debian/squeeze/dependencies/tqt3/debian .".
Now "debuild -b -uc -us" builds the packages without errors.
Is this the intend way to build debian packages or is there a beter way?
yes this is the way I use also.
I asked for automated build scripts and Michele mentioned something about
making such public, but I don't know what happened.
I wrote one big Makefile that I used to build the packages with their
dependencies, but its rather fast and dirty solution - so I prefer not to
show it :)
However you are on the right path if you stick to the base version - i.e.
you rebuild packages that are same branch that you are on. Example
14.0.5/14.0.5.
You'll probably have issues if you build 14.1.0 and run them on base 14.0.5
and you'll need to rebuild dependencies too.
I was intending to setup repo for 14.1 (DEVELOPMENT), but did not find time
so far to read the howto. However it might be that after I migrate my build
machine I could also find some time to do this around or after Christmas.
I've been using this for almost an year now without problems.
regards
16 Dec
16 Dec
11:30 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
Hi deloptes!
Am Freitag, 15. Dezember 2017 schrieb deloptes:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Ok, I see. Well, I would like to stay with 14.0.5 till 14.1 is official. I tried to figure
out a way how I can integrate the TDE sources in the devuan build infrastructue. This is
how far I have come with the official available parts (example just for the tqt3):
"apt-get source libtqt3-headers" downloads "tqt-x11-free-14.0.5~pre5",
which will result in packages named e.g.
"libtqt3-mt_14.0.5~pre5-0debian9.0.0+1_amd64.deb". The package name that is in
the repository is "libtqt3-mt_4%3a14.0.5~pre5-0debian9.0.0+1_amd64.deb" - so not
that far off what the source package creates.
The "same" sources obtained via git "git clone --recursive
https://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tqt3; cd tqt3; git checkout r14.0.x" and then
copied over the "debian"-folder from tde-packaging creates packages named
"libtqt3-mt_3.3.8-d-0ubuntu0_amd64.deb" - which I did not expect to happen.
That leads to the conclusion, that both ways will end in a usable way of integrating the
sources into devuan infrastructure.
Let's dig deeper :-)
"tqt-x11-free-14.0.5~pre5/debian/changelog" implies, that there should be a
perfectly fine git repository for integration in devuan:
tqt-x11-free (4:14.0.5~pre5-0debian9.0.0+1) stretch; urgency=low
* Automated git build for a944a8634fc7472ffd40e22cd5848a9b027c7b36
-- Slávek Banko <slavek.banko(a)axis.cz> Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:54:45 +0200
This git repository (wherever it may be) is most likely the perfect starting poinz for
what I need. The procedure lined out by KatolaZ here (
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 ) does not sound that much demanding, when
there is an upstream git repository that receives all the patches. The only work to be
done right now is "copy the sources" (which is quite straightforward) and
"get the naming right to devuan instead of debian" (dhich is handled by the d1h
helper program).
So ... this is exactly what I'd like to do: get TDE into devuan ASCII. Now I'm
asking Slavek the repository to make that happen :-)
Nik
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I cloned "tde-packaging", switched to
r14.0.x. Then I cloned "tqt3", "cd
tqt3", "cp ../tde-packaging/debian/squeeze/dependencies/tqt3/debian .".
Now "debuild -b -uc -us" builds the packages without errors.
Is this the intend way to build debian packages or is there a beter way?
yes this is the way I use also.
I asked for automated build scripts and Michele mentioned something about
making such public, but I don't know what happened.
I wrote one big Makefile that I used to build the packages with their
dependencies, but its rather fast and dirty solution - so I prefer not to
show it :)
However you are on the right path if you stick to the base version - i.e.
you rebuild packages that are same branch that you are on. Example
14.0.5/14.0.5.
You'll probably have issues if you build 14.1.0 and run them on base 14.0.5
and you'll need to rebuild dependencies too.
I was intending to setup repo for 14.1 (DEVELOPMENT), but did not find time
so far to read the howto. However it might be that after I migrate my build
machine I could also find some time to do this around or after Christmas.
I've been using this for almost an year now without problems.
regards
11:36 a.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
The "same" sources obtained via git
"git clone --recursive
https://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tqt3; cd tqt3; git checkout
r14.0.x" and then copied over the "debian"-folder from tde-packaging
creates packages named "libtqt3-mt_3.3.8-d-0ubuntu0_amd64.deb" - which I
did not expect to happen. That leads to the conclusion, that both ways
will end in a usable way of integrating the sources into devuan
infrastructure.
I think the sources changelog was either for ubuntu or for debian kde.
Custom version or maintainer mode is needed.
regards
12:47 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
Hi!
Am Samstag, 16. Dezember 2017 schrieb deloptes:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> The "same" sources obtained via git "git clone --recursive
> https://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tqt3; cd tqt3; git checkout
> r14.0.x" and then copied over the "debian"-folder from tde-packaging
> creates packages named "libtqt3-mt_3.3.8-d-0ubuntu0_amd64.deb" - which I
> did not expect to happen. That leads to the conclusion, that both ways
> will end in a usable way of integrating the sources into devuan
> infrastructure.
oops, my typo: should be "unusable" instead of
"usable"
I think the sources changelog was either for ubuntu or
for debian kde.
Custom version or maintainer mode is needed.
regards
That makes sense, as the changelog comes with the debian source package.
Just where to get a copy or how to make it to "maintainer mode"?
Nik
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17 Dec
17 Dec
4:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
I asked for automated build scripts and Michele
mentioned something about
making such public, but I don't know what happened.
I wrote one big Makefile that I used to build the packages with their
dependencies, but its rather fast and dirty solution - so I prefer not to
show it :)
Hi Emanoil (and others),
Slavek and I have done some work on this, but again stopped for lack of time or for other
priorities :-(
We are more focused on releasing Slavek's scripts at the moment, which support
building for multiple distros at the same
time and in automated way.
I can make my scripts available "as they are" if you want, perhaps with a little
explanation coming together.
Nevertheless I use a different packaging convention than the "standard" TDE
packages, although it should not be too
difficult to adapt them. These scripts are more focused on local builds (one distro at a
time - again they could be
adapted if needed) and allows to build package with a simple one line command (in fact the
whole TDE could be built with
a single command).
Let me know if you are interested in them :-)
Cheers
Michele
8:59 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
Hi Michele,
Am Sonntag, 17. Dezember 2017 schrieb Michele Calgaro:
That would be a great help!
Nik
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Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
I asked for
automated build scripts and Michele mentioned something about
making such public, but I don't know what happened.
I wrote one big Makefile that I used to build the packages with their
dependencies, but its rather fast and dirty solution - so I prefer not to
show it :)
Hi Emanoil (and others),
Slavek and I have done some work on this, but again stopped for lack of time or for other
priorities :-(
We are more focused on releasing Slavek's scripts at the moment, which support
building for multiple distros at the same
time and in automated way.
I can make my scripts available "as they are" if you want, perhaps with a
little explanation coming together.
Nevertheless I use a different packaging convention than the "standard" TDE
packages, although it should not be too
difficult to adapt them. These scripts are more focused on local builds (one distro at a
time - again they could be
adapted if needed) and allows to build package with a simple one line command (in fact
the whole TDE could be built with
a single command).
Let me know if you are interested in them :-)
Cheers
Michele
9:19 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-)
On 2017/12/17 04:59 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Michele,
Am Sonntag, 17. Dezember 2017 schrieb Michele Calgaro:
That would be a great help!
Nik
Sure, no problem Nik.
Since today I have some free time, I have started to polish them up and adapt them to be
used in a more generic way. Not
too many changes, but since I think this could be useful to several people, it could be
worth to add them to the
packaging repo so that anyone interested can get them easily. I will try to finish
everything by Christmas if I can :-)
Cheers
Michele
I asked
for automated build scripts and Michele mentioned something about
making such public, but I don't know what happened.
I wrote one big Makefile that I used to build the packages with their
dependencies, but its rather fast and dirty solution - so I prefer not to
show it :)
Hi Emanoil (and others),
Slavek and I have done some work on this, but again stopped for lack of time or for other
priorities :-(
We are more focused on releasing Slavek's scripts at the moment, which support
building for multiple distros at the same
time and in automated way.
I can make my scripts available "as they are" if you want, perhaps with a
little explanation coming together.
Nevertheless I use a different packaging convention than the "standard" TDE
packages, although it should not be too
difficult to adapt them. These scripts are more focused on local builds (one distro at a
time - again they could be
adapted if needed) and allows to build package with a simple one line command (in fact
the whole TDE could be built with
a single command).
Let me know if you are interested in them :-)
Cheers
Michele
1 Jan
1 Jan
11:18 a.m.
New subject: debian/ubuntu build scripts progress [was [trinity-devel] Re: Devuan ASCII & TDE ... call for devs :-) ]
On 2017/12/17 05:59 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Michele,
Am Sonntag, 17. Dezember 2017 schrieb Michele Calgaro:
That would be a great help!
Nik
Just thought of providing an update on this. Work is in progress to release building
scripts for building TDE on a
single machine for debian/ubuntu and even create a local repository for your distro if you
wish. It is progressing
slowly because I don't have as much time to dedicate to TDE as I used to do until a
year ago, but it is progressing.
There are several changes required to make the scripts more user friendly, to switch to
the standard package name format
used for TDE packages (I use a different naming convention on my machine) and to build for
the various debian/ubuntu
versions.
We (Slavek and I) are going through them and try to test them properly, so it is taking
some time.
Happy New Year to all!!
Cheers
Michele
I asked
for automated build scripts and Michele mentioned something about
making such public, but I don't know what happened.
I wrote one big Makefile that I used to build the packages with their
dependencies, but its rather fast and dirty solution - so I prefer not to
show it :)
Hi Emanoil (and others),
Slavek and I have done some work on this, but again stopped for lack of time or for other
priorities :-(
We are more focused on releasing Slavek's scripts at the moment, which support
building for multiple distros at the same
time and in automated way.
I can make my scripts available "as they are" if you want, perhaps with a
little explanation coming together.
Nevertheless I use a different packaging convention than the "standard" TDE
packages, although it should not be too
difficult to adapt them. These scripts are more focused on local builds (one distro at a
time - again they could be
adapted if needed) and allows to build package with a simple one line command (in fact
the whole TDE could be built with
a single command).
Let me know if you are interested in them :-)
Cheers
Michele
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