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Re: [trinity-devel] OnlyShowIn=TDE or NotShowIn=KDE?
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

>That brings us to the point of -- "What is a proper XDG_* >environment for >trinity?" Right now in tqtinterface, we have complete control over >the XDG >environment with trinity.sh. I currently have: > >What additional can we do/(do better) with the environment setup? As I wrote previously, Debian based distros do not use /etc/profile.d. We need to explore how to modify the XDG_*variables without using /etc/profile.d. >+1 When I was shopping desktops, it was not uncommon to have kde3, >kde4, wm2 >fvmwm2, e-16, e-17, gnome, fluxbox, twm, blackbox, openbox, etc. >all installed >simultaneously. The only real havoc was caused by kde3/kde4/gnome. >That's why >the X11 project put out an entire menuing standard to handle what >is isn't >visible in each desktop. I've picked through the standard, but >never compared >between what we have and what is says. Further, in doing so, I >don't ever recall >seeing a clean way of preventing the kde3/kde4/gnome menu mess. It >is almost as >if there is a need for a global 'menuedit' to manage /etc/xdg/menu >on a global >and per/user basis to include/exclude apps in menus when multiple >desktop environments are installed. The menus we now install work well enough within Trinity. We have the option to compile with a "[KDE]" suffix. To reduce menu clutter from duplicate naming, the default Trinity menu places all KDE menu items in a separate "KDE" submenu. We also have an alternate menu that must be installed manually that excludes all KDE menu items. We probably should have a GUI option somewhere to swap those two menu options. The menu mess begins outside of Trinity. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] OnlyShowIn=TDE or NotShowIn=KDE?
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

> Do you want a bug open on this one, or just push it? I think it >is small >enough just to push it. Get our fearless leader to comment, but >unless someone >wants a bug opened, I'd just push it if all give the nod. I will push changes for the few *.desktop files discussed. As I mentioned, the core problem is not OnlyShowIn=TDE but the XDG_* environment variables. In the broader scheme, we have no remedy for getting other environments to source /opt/trinity in the XDG_* environment variables. In distros that use /etc/profile.d, the solution is to ensure a script is installed (could be nothing more than the normal trinity.sh script). For the distros that don't use /etc/profile.d, such as Debian, I don't know how to ensure XDG_* variables are modified to recognize /opt/trinity. As I mentioned, when KDE4 is concurrently installed with Trinity, the result will be a menu mess one way or another, unless we provide distro maintainers a more organized menu structure to handle the KDE4/Trinity overload. Some might ask, why would users install Trinity and use a different environment? Many users prefer window managers rather than full desktops, but prefer a selection of apps from the full desktop environments. Many systems are multi-user, and the various users select what to run. In those instances, all options must be installed. There is a growing restlessness in the KDE4 community for PIM apps that do not rely on the akonadi/nepomuk foundation. Trinity PIM apps could fill that role, but without modifying the XDG_* environment variables, the apps won't be found in non-Trinity desktops. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Alternative release version numbering scheme proposal
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

>One thing to point out against Darrells points: David's points. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] OnlyShowIn=TDE or NotShowIn=KDE?
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

>This topic deserves further investigation. Some quick testing reveals the problem experienced by the blog author is the XDG environment variables. That said, here is a list of Trinity *.desktop files using OnlyShowIn=TDE ========================================================== applications/adept/adept/notifier/adept_notifier_auto.desktop applications/desktop-effects-tde/desktop-effects-tde.desktop applications/gtk-qt-engine/kcm_gtk/kcmgtk.desktop applications/knutclient/src/knutclient.desktop applications/krusader/krusader/krusader_root-mode.desktop applications/tde-guidance/powermanager/guidance-power- manager.desktop libraries/pytdeextensions/pytdeextensions.desktop tdebase/kappfinder/kappfinder.desktop tdebase/kcontrol/kcontrol/KControl.desktop tdebase/kcontrol/randr/tderandrtray.desktop tdebase/kdesktop/init/Home.desktop tdebase/kdesktop/init/System.desktop tdebase/kfind/Kfind.desktop tdebase/khelpcenter/Help.desktop tdebase/kicker/kicker/kcmkicker.desktop tdebase/kicker/kicker/panel.desktop tdebase/klipper/klipper.desktop tdebase/kmenuedit/kmenuedit.desktop tdebase/konqueror/Home.desktop tdebase/konqueror/preloader/konqy_preload.desktop tdebase/kpersonalizer/kpersonalizer.desktop tdebase/ktip/ktip.desktop tdebase/tdescreensaver/KBlankscreen.desktop tdebase/tdescreensaver/KRandom.desktop tdelibs/tdeabc/tdeab2tdeabc.desktop tdelibs/tderesources/tderesources.desktop tdemultimedia/arts/builder/artsbuilder.desktop tdemultimedia/arts/builder/x-artsbuilder.desktop tdemultimedia/arts/tools/artscontrol.desktop tdemultimedia/arts/tools/artscontrolapplet.desktop tdemultimedia/kmix/kmix.desktop tdemultimedia/kmix/restore_kmix_volumes.desktop tdenetwork/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.desktop tdepim/kalarm/kalarm.desktop tdepim/korganizer/korgac/korgac.desktop tdepim/tdeabc/tdeabcdistlistupdater/tdeabcdistlistupdater.desktop tdeutils/kdf/kwikdisk.desktop tdeutils/superkaramba/src/superkaramba.desktop ========================================================== From this list, I think only the following are candidates for change: tdepim/kalarm/kalarm.desktop -> NotShowIn=KDE tdepim/korganizer/korgac/korgac.desktop -> NotShowIn=KDE tdeutils/kdf/kwikdisk.desktop -> NotShowIn=KDE Of the remaining Trinity *.desktop files, the question remains whether any TDE app that has the same name as in KDE4 should use NotShowIn=KDE. Such a change would be noticeable only when a user or admin modifies the XDG_* environment variables to search /opt/trinity. When KDE4 and Trinity are installed concurrently, any such change would remove the Trinity version from the menu and leave only the KDE4 version. I think a better strategy is find a way to improve the menus of other environments. There are two anomalies: NotShowIn=GNOME: tdebase/konqueror/konquerorsu.desktop tdebase/ksysguard/gui/x-ksysguard.desktop Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] khelpcenter - howto identify icons opened? (brokenpng.c)
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

> There are a number of png files in TDE that generate errors on >opening due to >outdated png header information. I would like to identify which >icons these are. >For example when opening khelpcenter I receive the following >messages: > >03:03 valhalla:~> khelpcenter help:/khelpcenter/releasenotes >khelpcenter: WARNING: Main template file name is empty. >libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile >libpng error: IDAT: invalid distance too far back >libpng error: IDAT: invalid distance too far back >libpng error: IDAT: invalid distance too far back >libpng warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using >png_read_image >libpng error: IDAT: invalid distance too far back >libpng error: IDAT: invalid distance too far back >libpng error: IDAT: invalid distance too far back >libpng warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using >png_read_image > > Apparently, the problem is out-of-date png header information. >Searching I >stumbled across a minimal bit of source that is supposed to fix >the issue, but >only if compiled on older versions of libpng. Looking at the code, >the crux of >it is to rewrite the first 8 bytes of the png header. I've >attached it for >experimentation. It builds well on all of the boxes I have, but I >suspect you >have to force it to build against libpng 1.2 in order for it to do >what it is >supposed to. I'll continue to experiment. If you have few spare >minutes give it >a try and let me know if you can see any discernible difference in >the new/old >png files. I haven't yet. This is a bug report against newer versions of libpng. I don't seen any such errors with libpng 1.4.12. I suspect a rite of initiation to become a libpng developer is to introduce new code that breaks something for everybody downstream. Cousins to the BOFH. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] cmake conversion audit
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

>Well, I did a cursory test ages ago just to get a handle on what >had >CMakeLists.txt and what didn't. If we could identify solid >criteria like you >suggested "directories with both CMakeLists and Makefile.am" >files, then it >would be a simple process of walking the git tree with 'find' and >identifying >apps which met the checks and those that partially met and those >that were just >autofoo. > >One issue I see is the use of .in.in and .in instead of .am, so we >may need a >fairly broad search of the variants of Makefile.am, configure.blah >to get a >valid picture of the state of the build setup. > >I'll look for some tests, if you can think of others, let us know. > >Everybody else as well. Here is a preliminary list of modules converted to cmake that contain directories with a Makefile.am but no corresponding CMakeLists.txt. The list offers no conclusions. Just a list. Which items are legitimate remains to be investigated. amarok/amarok/src/engine/helix amarok/amarok/src/engine/helix/config amarok/amarok/src/engine/helix/helix-sp amarok/amarok/src/engine/kdemm amarok/amarok/src/engine/mas amarok/amarok/src/engine/nmm amarok/amarok/src/engine/nmm/icons amarok/amarok/src/metadata/speex amarok/amarok/src/metadata/trueaudio amarok/amarok/src/metadata/wavpack amarok/amarok/src/scripts/graphequalizer amarok/amarok/src/sqlite dolphin/doc dolphin/doc/en dolphin/po knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/introspection knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/po knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/openvpn knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/openvpn/src knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/pptp knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/pptp/src knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/strongswan knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/strongswan/src knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/vpnc knetworkmanager8/knetworkmanager-0.8/vpn-plugins/vpnc/src tdebase/doc/kappfinder tdebase/kcontrol/accessibility tdebase/kcontrol/smartcard tdebase/khelpcenter/htmlsearch tdebase/kicker/applets/swallow tdebase/kicker/kicker/plugins tdebase/kicker/menuext/tom tdebase/konqueror/sidebar/test tdebase/konsole/doc tdebase/konsole/doc/VT100 tdebase/ksysguard/ksysguardd/FreeBSD tdebase/ksysguard/ksysguardd/Irix tdebase/ksysguard/ksysguardd/NetBSD tdebase/ksysguard/ksysguardd/OpenBSD tdebase/ksysguard/ksysguardd/Solaris tdebase/ksysguard/ksysguardd/Tru64 tdebase/libkonq/tests tdebase/nsplugins/test tdebase/nsplugins/wrapper tdebase/tdeprint/descriptions tdebase/twin/clients/kwmtheme tdebase/twin/clients/kwmtheme/cli_installer tdebase/twin/clients/test tdebase/twin/tools tdebase/twin/tools/decobenchmark tdegraphics/ksvg/plugin/backends/agg tdegraphics/kview/kviewcanvas/test tdegraphics/kview/kviewviewer/test tdegraphics/kview/modules/scale tdegraphics/kview/modules/template tdelibs/arts/kde/mcop-dcop tdelibs/dcop/tests tdelibs/doc/tdelibs tdelibs/interfaces/terminal/test tdelibs/kate/plugins/autobookmarker tdelibs/kded/test tdelibs/libtdemid/tests tdelibs/tdeabc/plugins/evolution tdelibs/tdeabc/plugins/sql tdelibs/tdeabc/scripts tdelibs/tdeabc/tests tdelibs/tdecore/tdeconfig_compiler/example tdelibs/tdecore/tdeconfig_compiler/tests tdelibs/tdecore/tests tdelibs/tdehtml/java/tests tdelibs/tdeinit/tests tdelibs/tdeio/tdefile/tests tdelibs/tdeioslave/http/kcookiejar/tests tdelibs/tdemdi/test tdelibs/tdeparts/tests tdelibs/tdeprint/foomatic tdelibs/tdeprint/lpd tdelibs/tdeprint/tests tdelibs/tdespell2/tests tdelibs/tdestyles/klegacy tdelibs/tdestyles/web tdelibs/tdeui/colors tdelibs/tdeutils/tests tdelibs/tdewallet/backend/tests tdelibs/tdewallet/tests tdelibs/tdewidgets/tests tdenetwork/kopete/kopete/chatwindow/tests tdenetwork/kopete/libkopete/compat tdenetwork/kopete/libkopete/tests tdenetwork/kopete/libkopete/tests/mock tdenetwork/kopete/plugins/smpppdcs/unittest tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/groupwise/libgroupwise/tasks/tests tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/groupwise/libgroupwise/tests tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/jabber/jingle/libjingle/talk/examples tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/jabber/jingle/libjingle/talk/examples/ca ll tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/jabber/jingle/libjingle/talk/examples/lo gin tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/tests tdenetwork/kopete/protocols/yahoo/libkyahoo/tests tdenetwork/ksirc/puke tdepim/certmanager/lib/backends/kpgp tdepim/certmanager/lib/tests tdepim/indexlib/tests tdepim/karm/test tdepim/kitchensync/opensyncdbus tdepim/kmail/tests tdepim/kmobile/tdeioslave tdepim/kmobile/tdeioslave/mimetypes tdepim/kode/kwsdl tdepim/kode/kwsdl/kung tdepim/kode/kwsdl/schema tdepim/kode/kwsdl/tests tdepim/kode/kwsdl/tests/google tdepim/kode/kwsdl/wscl tdepim/kontact/plugins/kitchensync tdepim/kontact/plugins/kpilot tdepim/kontact/plugins/test tdepim/korganizer/plugins/printing/list tdepim/korganizer/plugins/printing/whatsnext tdepim/korganizer/plugins/projectview tdepim/korganizer/plugins/timespanview tdepim/ktnef/tests tdepim/libemailfunctions/tests tdepim/libkcal/tests tdepim/libkmime/tests tdepim/libksieve/tests tdepim/libtdenetwork/libgpg-error-copy tdepim/libtdenetwork/libgpgme-copy tdepim/libtdenetwork/libgpgme-copy/assuan tdepim/libtdenetwork/libgpgme-copy/gpgme tdepim/libtdenetwork/qgpgme/tests tdepim/libtdepim/cfgc tdepim/libtdepim/interfaces tdepim/libtdepim/komposer tdepim/libtdepim/komposer/core tdepim/libtdepim/komposer/core/tests tdepim/libtdepim/komposer/plugins tdepim/libtdepim/komposer/plugins/default tdepim/libtdepim/komposer/test tdepim/libtdepim/tests tdepim/tdeabc/frontend tdepim/tdefile-plugins/palm-databases tdepim/tdefile-plugins/rfc822 tdepim/tdeioslave/opengroupware tdepim/tderesources/blogging tdepim/tderesources/groupware tdepim/tderesources/tvanytime tdesdk/doc/kapptemplate tdesdk/kbabel/kbabeldict/modules/dbsearchengine2 tdesdk/poxml/antlr/antlr tdesdk/tdeunittest/example tdesdk/tdeunittest/example/module tdesdk/tdeunittest/example/simple tdesdk/umbrello/umbrello/autolayout tdevelop/buildtools/lib/parsers/autotools/tests tdevelop/buildtools/lib/parsers/qmake/tests tdevelop/doc/kdearch tdevelop/doc/tools tdevelop/kdevdesigner/plugins tdevelop/languages/cpp/app_templates/generichello tdevelop/languages/cpp/app_templates/gnome2mmapp tdevelop/languages/cpp/app_templates/kmake tdevelop/languages/cpp/app_templates/prc-tool tdevelop/languages/java/newclass_templates tdevelop/languages/kjssupport tdevelop/languages/kjssupport/subclassing_template tdevelop/languages/kjssupport/template tdevelop/parts/documentation/plugins/djvu tdevelop/parts/documentation/plugins/pdb tdevelop/parts/documentation/plugins/pdf Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] cmake conversion audit
by Darrell Anderson 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

>Perhaps it is worth do a complete check of what is completed and >what not. That means check every single package. I agree. How? For example, dolphin was listed in the etherpad as completed. Yet I compiled dolphin with cmake and no doc or po files were compiled. Therefore I deleted the 'completed' tag in the etherpad and wrote a note. I know that not all components of amarok were converted and I filed a bug report against that a very long time ago. As I mentioned, the cmake packages do not build man pages. Another bug report filed. This is part of why I am suspicious of whether all packages have been converted completely. To my knowledge we no longer can build the core packages with automake. Only cmake. Therefore the only file-by-file comparison we can attempt is with a fully compiled 3.5.13.2 package. We have to account for the renaming changes. Yet everybody builds packages differently. Using a 3.5.13.2 package as a baseline does not mean all components were compiled. Darrell

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build script for debian?
by Dr. Nikolaus Klepp 12 Feb '14

12 Feb '14

Hi all! Could sombody please send me a build script for debian? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

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Re: [trinity-devel] OnlyShowIn=TDE or NotShowIn=KDE?
by Darrell Anderson 11 Feb '14

11 Feb '14

> For renamed files, get rid of 'NotShowIn='. If NotShowIn=KDE is >all that is >needed to prevent the TDE/KDE conflict for those apps that have >NOT been >renamed, the warm up 'sed' and make the change. If I recall >correctly, the only >downside to eliminating NotShowIn= completely for every desktop >file is that you >would get both versions of of KDE3 and KDE4 application in the >menu. SuSE >initially changed the title in the KDE4 apps to include KDE4-blah >which provided >separation in the menus but the menus did look a bit cluttered >with double-apps >everywhere. > > Since we have been on this huge renaming kick to prevent >conflict, then I say >get rid of 'NotShowIn=' in every application that has been >renamed. Yes kde4 >with see tde apps, but that is an upgrade, not a problem. > > Turn the issue around, does any other desktop include >'NotShowIn=TDE' to >prevent TDE from seeing all their apps - no. I don't think we need >any of these >training-wheels except in case of direct TDE/KDE name conflict. I tested this in fluxbox and xfce. I see no Trinity apps in the menus. Upon further reflection, although possibly we have been overzealous with using OnlyShowIn=TDE, I suspect not. We do need to use that directive for certain apps, but I don't think that is the root cause of the problem described by the blog author. I suspect the problem with other environments not seeing Trinity apps is environment variables. As just about all of us build Trinity to install to /opt/trinity, not a single environment default configuration will find Trinity apps with standard environment variables. Specifically the XDG_* variables that affect finding trinity files. I believe then the first hurdle is how to help other environments find all Trinity *.desktop files. I wonder whether we should install the menu files to /etc/xdg/menus rather than /etc/trinity/xdg/menus. A caveat: when KDE4 is concurrently installed with Trinity, the respective environment menu can become a hopeless cluttered mess. This is true in my xfce test. We have a build-time option to add "[KDE4]" to all KDE menu items, but that might affect only the Trinity menus. I'd have to run a build test to see any effects on the Xfce menu. This topic deserves further investigation. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Latest Build broke ALSA sound (play works - aplay screaches)
by Darrell Anderson 11 Feb '14

11 Feb '14

>I'll give it a try. But I learned during the original problem I >had with sound, >root uses a completely different sound scheme than normal users in >TDE. root >makes use of alsa-raw which bypasses a bulk of the user sound >config, so it may >work fine and still not be a permission issue. If true then file a bug report. There should be no reason why root should use arts differently than non-root users. >Since this is virtualbox, I'll just create users doug, sally, ben >and jerry and have totally different profiles :) At this point I say stop and test with real hardware. Virtual machines work great for many things, but your particular problem needs to be resolved with real hardware. Get a second machine, create a second partition. I use all of the above for testing. Darrell

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