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Re: [trinity-devel] Is there a Master List of what is Renamed k->t or k->tde?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>Hmmm.. No release notes :( > >How long ago did you push them? My first build was on tarballs >from 1/15 -- and >I got not releasenotes. They come from tdebase correct? Commit 32f7a85c, 2014-01-19. Looks like you are 4 days late and a dollar short. :) Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] tdepowersave - continually grinding away 3.6%-6% of CPU -- confirm?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>You are correct that the CPU use is in the 3-5% range, that in >itself isn't the >problem. The problem is that it is ALWAYS 3-5% and ALWAYS at the >top of the >list. That signifies a runaway process in tdepowersave that is not >playing >nicely. tdepowersave should only require 3-5% of the cpu when it >does something, >not continually. tdepowersave should only be monitoring input and >starting >timers, screensavers, suspend, etc.... Those are all negligible >and darn sure >less that was X is doing. So there is a live Gremlin in >tdepowersave somewhere.... Yes, I understood that ALWAYS 3% is an unhealthy indication. That was what I was implying when I shared that kmix and knotification- daemon were always at about 2%. I don't know whether Slavek's patch will remedy the ALWAYS problem, but we should look at all three apps for why they are consistently at the top of top. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] kmix/kmixer cannot see arts running
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>> I've seen this before, when logging in with the same account >> between two systems that have different sound hardware. >> >> Try terminating kmix, delete the two kmix* rc files, then start >> kmix. >> >Good thought. I killed it, removed the >.trinity/share/config/kmixrc and >restarted. No change and no regeneration of kmixrc. I'll keep >poking at the >underlying sound system to see if there is something there causing >the issue. After deleting the two kmixrc* files, the default should be to autostart. If kmix is not autostarting, then try manually starting from the command line. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Is there a Master List of what is Renamed k->t or k->tde?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

> Messing with tdepowersave I ran into a problem figuring out what >kcmshell was >called. I tried Alt+F2: > > kcmshell foo > tcmshell foo > tdecmshell foo - Bingo! > > That raised the question, do we have a list somewhere of what >has been >renamed? Some things have been renamed 'k'->'t' others 'k'->'tde' >others not >renamed at all. Doing 'tcmshell --list | sort' somewhat >exemplifies the problem. > > I was thinking some khelpcenter (t,tde)helpcenter page called >something like >"Trinity Desktop Naming Cross-reference" that would simple provide >a brief >introduction that in order to avoid name conflict with KDE4, the >following files >and modules have been renamed: > >kfoo1 -> tfoo1 >kfoo2 -> tfoo2 >... > > Absolutely falls under the 'nice to have' not 'need to have' >column, but if it >doesn't exist, then we may want to collect a list of obvious >things that users >might experience difficulty with and include those in the list. >Like: > >kcmshell -> tdecmshell You're a day late and a dollar short. :) A list is available in the release notes. To read the release notes, open the "Welcome to TDE" handbook and then select the "TDE Release Notes" link. Or run the following: khelpcenter help:/khelpcenter/releasenotes For new R14 users, this document appears once and once only after starting Trinity the first time in R14. Likewise for git users. Now the interesting twist: somehow kcmshell->tdecmshell slipped through the cracks and is not in the list. I'll push a patch to the docbook file. :) Darrell

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Is there a Master List of what is Renamed k->t or k->tde?
by David C. Rankin 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

Darrell, All, Messing with tdepowersave I ran into a problem figuring out what kcmshell was called. I tried Alt+F2: kcmshell foo tcmshell foo tdecmshell foo - Bingo! That raised the question, do we have a list somewhere of what has been renamed? Some things have been renamed 'k'->'t' others 'k'->'tde' others not renamed at all. Doing 'tcmshell --list | sort' somewhat exemplifies the problem. I was thinking some khelpcenter (t,tde)helpcenter page called something like "Trinity Desktop Naming Cross-reference" that would simple provide a brief introduction that in order to avoid name conflict with KDE4, the following files and modules have been renamed: kfoo1 -> tfoo1 kfoo2 -> tfoo2 ... Absolutely falls under the 'nice to have' not 'need to have' column, but if it doesn't exist, then we may want to collect a list of obvious things that users might experience difficulty with and include those in the list. Like: kcmshell -> tdecmshell -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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Re: [trinity-devel] tdepowersave - continually grinding away 3.6%-6% of CPU -- confirm?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

> On your R14 install, open a 'top' or 'htop' window and tell me >what your >'tdepowersave' use is. > > By far -- tdepowersave is the top CPU user on my build >continually taking more >than any other process. This is not right. It is using 2x-3x more >CPU than X or >kded and is continually at the top of the list. It never stops. > > What do you see? I see dead people. I see dead people everywhere.... I don't see high numbers. tdepowersave is at the top of my top list at about 3%. Traditionally kmix and knotification-daemon always have been at the top of top too, at about 2%. I'm sure our tdepowersaverc files are different. Perhaps post your tdepowersaverc. Here is mine: [General] ActionOnS2DiskButton= ActionOnSleepButton= AlreadyStarted=true Autostart=false AutostartNeverAsk=true batteryLow=4 batteryLowAction=SUSPEND2RAM batteryWarning=10 batteryWarningAction=BRIGHTNESS batteryWarningActionValue=10 lockOnSuspend=false [Notification Messages] systemtrayquitTDEPowersave=false [Performance] autoDimm=true autoDimmAfter=4 autoInactiveActionAfter=10 blankSs=false brightnessPercent=60 disableNotifications=false disableSs=false powerOffAfter=8 specPMSettings=false standbyAfter=6 suspendAfter=7 [Powersave] autoDimmAfter=4 autoDimmSchemeBlacklistEnabled=false autoDimmTo=25 autoInactiveAction=Suspend to RAM autoInactiveActionAfter=10 brightnessPercent=60 disableNotifications=false disableSs=true powerOffAfter=7 standbyAfter=5 suspendAfter=6 I don't use the tdepowersave much, even when on battery. Mostly because of bug report 1623. Typically I press Fn+F4 (Thinkpad T400) or close the lid. I'm not a comfortable laptop user anyway. I hate laptop keyboards and trackpads. Right now I use the laptop as my guinea pig with all of the help handbook patching I have been doing. Having the laptop next to me on my desk next to my production system is convenient. I've disabled the trackpad and attached a wired mouse, but I still I hate the keyboard. Generally, laptops suck and I'm amazed at how awful they are designed from a usability perspective yet people use them and then convince themselves they are pigs in mud. :) Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Commit page not updating
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>Script for html page was as an attachment to the first mail: > >http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::12285 The resulting html page is 4 MB. :) For local usage, perhaps an option to send only the last seven (or 30, or whatever) days to html output? Darrell

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pytdeextensions.desktop
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

All, I pushed a pytdeextensions.desktop file to git. The desktop file supports the respective help handbook so the handbook is available in the main help handbook table of contents, in the Development category. I have no idea how to edit the py scripts so the desktop file is compiled as part of the package and is installed to /opt/trinity/share/applications/tde. For the moment all I can do is manipulate my build script to manually add the file. Help appreciated. BTW, seems the pytdeextensions module is in need of renaming attention. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Need artwork
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>Will this do? (I didn't follow the pigtails suggestion, because to >me they're >specifically associated with little girls and the male image is >clearly an >adult--it could come across as patronizing.) You are good! Thank you! Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Commit page not updating
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>> How about your script for the html page? I'd like to test that >too. > >Script for html page was as an attachment to the first mail: > >http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::12285 Oops. Sorry! Yes, the script works well. Hopefully Tim adopts the new script. An hourly cron job should do nicely and the script completes in about 15 to 20 seconds on my dual core machine. Darrell

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