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Re: [trinity-devel] kprinter cannot see running cupsd process
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>A bit strange, but yes, I now have the cups.sock interface, but I >have a catch >22 that prevents remote printer setup. As a user, you do not have >sufficient to >generate ppd files for this printer at home (normal HP Laserjet >4). In >administrator mode, after selecting the printer and pressing >'Next' the select >printer driver page loads, but the Manufacturer List and Printer >List are blank >-- nada.... > >Have a look: > >That's one I can't explain. (1) user sees manufacturer and >printers, but can't >gen the ppd, (2) root just can't see the printer in order to be >able to generate >the ppd file. (God I miss the days of just selecting the PPD >instead of a >autogenerate on the fly scheme...) > >Any thoughts? Share the exact steps. That you see a list of available printers probably means CUPS is configured correctly. My printer is connected as a network device. After you share the exact steps I'll try to duplicate here. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Commit page not updating
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>As I mentioned, a side effect of the processing git log in the >proposed script >is that each commit is on output in a single line. This would be >possible to >simply add the pagination. > >For example - adding one simple "sed" to a previously sent crazy >command for >listing on the console... see attached script. Okay. Thank you. :) Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Is there a Master List of what is Renamed k->t or k->tde?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>Hmmm.. No release notes :( > >How long ago did you push them? My first build was on tarballs >from 1/15 -- and >I got not releasenotes. They come from tdebase correct? Commit 32f7a85c, 2014-01-19. Looks like you are 4 days late and a dollar short. :) Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] tdepowersave - continually grinding away 3.6%-6% of CPU -- confirm?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>You are correct that the CPU use is in the 3-5% range, that in >itself isn't the >problem. The problem is that it is ALWAYS 3-5% and ALWAYS at the >top of the >list. That signifies a runaway process in tdepowersave that is not >playing >nicely. tdepowersave should only require 3-5% of the cpu when it >does something, >not continually. tdepowersave should only be monitoring input and >starting >timers, screensavers, suspend, etc.... Those are all negligible >and darn sure >less that was X is doing. So there is a live Gremlin in >tdepowersave somewhere.... Yes, I understood that ALWAYS 3% is an unhealthy indication. That was what I was implying when I shared that kmix and knotification- daemon were always at about 2%. I don't know whether Slavek's patch will remedy the ALWAYS problem, but we should look at all three apps for why they are consistently at the top of top. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] kmix/kmixer cannot see arts running
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>> I've seen this before, when logging in with the same account >> between two systems that have different sound hardware. >> >> Try terminating kmix, delete the two kmix* rc files, then start >> kmix. >> >Good thought. I killed it, removed the >.trinity/share/config/kmixrc and >restarted. No change and no regeneration of kmixrc. I'll keep >poking at the >underlying sound system to see if there is something there causing >the issue. After deleting the two kmixrc* files, the default should be to autostart. If kmix is not autostarting, then try manually starting from the command line. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Is there a Master List of what is Renamed k->t or k->tde?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

> Messing with tdepowersave I ran into a problem figuring out what >kcmshell was >called. I tried Alt+F2: > > kcmshell foo > tcmshell foo > tdecmshell foo - Bingo! > > That raised the question, do we have a list somewhere of what >has been >renamed? Some things have been renamed 'k'->'t' others 'k'->'tde' >others not >renamed at all. Doing 'tcmshell --list | sort' somewhat >exemplifies the problem. > > I was thinking some khelpcenter (t,tde)helpcenter page called >something like >"Trinity Desktop Naming Cross-reference" that would simple provide >a brief >introduction that in order to avoid name conflict with KDE4, the >following files >and modules have been renamed: > >kfoo1 -> tfoo1 >kfoo2 -> tfoo2 >... > > Absolutely falls under the 'nice to have' not 'need to have' >column, but if it >doesn't exist, then we may want to collect a list of obvious >things that users >might experience difficulty with and include those in the list. >Like: > >kcmshell -> tdecmshell You're a day late and a dollar short. :) A list is available in the release notes. To read the release notes, open the "Welcome to TDE" handbook and then select the "TDE Release Notes" link. Or run the following: khelpcenter help:/khelpcenter/releasenotes For new R14 users, this document appears once and once only after starting Trinity the first time in R14. Likewise for git users. Now the interesting twist: somehow kcmshell->tdecmshell slipped through the cracks and is not in the list. I'll push a patch to the docbook file. :) Darrell

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Is there a Master List of what is Renamed k->t or k->tde?
by David C. Rankin 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

Darrell, All, Messing with tdepowersave I ran into a problem figuring out what kcmshell was called. I tried Alt+F2: kcmshell foo tcmshell foo tdecmshell foo - Bingo! That raised the question, do we have a list somewhere of what has been renamed? Some things have been renamed 'k'->'t' others 'k'->'tde' others not renamed at all. Doing 'tcmshell --list | sort' somewhat exemplifies the problem. I was thinking some khelpcenter (t,tde)helpcenter page called something like "Trinity Desktop Naming Cross-reference" that would simple provide a brief introduction that in order to avoid name conflict with KDE4, the following files and modules have been renamed: kfoo1 -> tfoo1 kfoo2 -> tfoo2 ... Absolutely falls under the 'nice to have' not 'need to have' column, but if it doesn't exist, then we may want to collect a list of obvious things that users might experience difficulty with and include those in the list. Like: kcmshell -> tdecmshell -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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Re: [trinity-devel] tdepowersave - continually grinding away 3.6%-6% of CPU -- confirm?
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

> On your R14 install, open a 'top' or 'htop' window and tell me >what your >'tdepowersave' use is. > > By far -- tdepowersave is the top CPU user on my build >continually taking more >than any other process. This is not right. It is using 2x-3x more >CPU than X or >kded and is continually at the top of the list. It never stops. > > What do you see? I see dead people. I see dead people everywhere.... I don't see high numbers. tdepowersave is at the top of my top list at about 3%. Traditionally kmix and knotification-daemon always have been at the top of top too, at about 2%. I'm sure our tdepowersaverc files are different. Perhaps post your tdepowersaverc. Here is mine: [General] ActionOnS2DiskButton= ActionOnSleepButton= AlreadyStarted=true Autostart=false AutostartNeverAsk=true batteryLow=4 batteryLowAction=SUSPEND2RAM batteryWarning=10 batteryWarningAction=BRIGHTNESS batteryWarningActionValue=10 lockOnSuspend=false [Notification Messages] systemtrayquitTDEPowersave=false [Performance] autoDimm=true autoDimmAfter=4 autoInactiveActionAfter=10 blankSs=false brightnessPercent=60 disableNotifications=false disableSs=false powerOffAfter=8 specPMSettings=false standbyAfter=6 suspendAfter=7 [Powersave] autoDimmAfter=4 autoDimmSchemeBlacklistEnabled=false autoDimmTo=25 autoInactiveAction=Suspend to RAM autoInactiveActionAfter=10 brightnessPercent=60 disableNotifications=false disableSs=true powerOffAfter=7 standbyAfter=5 suspendAfter=6 I don't use the tdepowersave much, even when on battery. Mostly because of bug report 1623. Typically I press Fn+F4 (Thinkpad T400) or close the lid. I'm not a comfortable laptop user anyway. I hate laptop keyboards and trackpads. Right now I use the laptop as my guinea pig with all of the help handbook patching I have been doing. Having the laptop next to me on my desk next to my production system is convenient. I've disabled the trackpad and attached a wired mouse, but I still I hate the keyboard. Generally, laptops suck and I'm amazed at how awful they are designed from a usability perspective yet people use them and then convince themselves they are pigs in mud. :) Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Commit page not updating
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

>Script for html page was as an attachment to the first mail: > >http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::12285 The resulting html page is 4 MB. :) For local usage, perhaps an option to send only the last seven (or 30, or whatever) days to html output? Darrell

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pytdeextensions.desktop
by Darrell Anderson 01 Feb '14

01 Feb '14

All, I pushed a pytdeextensions.desktop file to git. The desktop file supports the respective help handbook so the handbook is available in the main help handbook table of contents, in the Development category. I have no idea how to edit the py scripts so the desktop file is compiled as part of the package and is installed to /opt/trinity/share/applications/tde. For the moment all I can do is manipulate my build script to manually add the file. Help appreciated. BTW, seems the pytdeextensions module is in need of renaming attention. Darrell

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