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Ideas and Thoughts
by Darrell Anderson 09 Jun '12

09 Jun '12

We have a small team. Keeping Trinity moving forward is a challenge. Yet I believe we have a committed and dedicated team, small or not, and somehow we keep moving forward. I don't expect people to give up their day jobs to support Trinity, but I found this article interesting: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Independent-software-developers-go-f… I don't know what fund raising ideas we can use. Selling shirts and coffee cups requires serious overhead and personnel. Yet sometimes I wonder what we could do to keep Trinity moving at a nice speed. Another idea I had today came from an RSS feed title: "KDE SC 4.8.4 delivers monthly stabilization update" After we release R14.0.0, I'm wondering whether we could do something similar. Every month or so we release a point release for Trinity that includes bug fixes and possibly one enhancement request. Even if we push only two or three bug fixes, this monthly release would show the project is alive and well. A monthly stablization release also is great public relations because the various news people publish those press releases. A monthly release does not mean a complete overhaul of the mirrors, etc. We would need only resync those packages that change. At three or four bug resolutions that likely would mean only a package or two changes. A monthly stablization release will be much easier to manage after R14 than trying to backport patches for 3.5.13 because much changed between R14 and 3.5.13. After R14 we should be quite stable (ABI/API) and monthly bug patches should be easy to coordinate among packagers. Just ideas and thoughts. Darrell

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k9copy icons unreadable?
by Darrell Anderson 09 Jun '12

09 Jun '12

Would somebody please confirm that the icons used in k9copy are unreadable? You do not have to have k9copy installed. Use your local GIT sources and try to view the icons: applications/k9copy/tree/src/icons I am unable to view the icons. In the installed version of k9copy, the icons in the Settings menu are blank, which is how I discovered the problem. I can view all of the icons from the original 1.2.4 sources. I think somehow the images in the GIT tree have become corrupted. Comparing file sizes between the two source sets shows the files are not the same size. Fixing the problem is as easy as copying the images from the original sources. I have tested by rebuilding k9copy with the original image files and the Settings images were fine. I just want confirmation before pushing anything to GIT. Thanks! Darrell

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Upcoming Bug Report 892 Patch Set
by Darrell Anderson 08 Jun '12

08 Jun '12

Recently Trinity/TDE was added to the list of registered desktop environments: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apb.html. Before that event I have been developing a related patch set. I'm about to push this large patch set, which affects XDG compliance and will help avoid potential conflicts with KDE4. The patch set is an effort to resolve bug report 892. Almost every module is affected. The patch set performs the following: * Updates all occurrences (*.desktop files and source code) of X-KDE-* to X-TDE-* * In *.desktop files, updates KDE; -> TDE; in all Category keys * Renames $TDEDIR/share/applications/kde -> $TDEDIR/share/applications/tde Resolving bug report 892 is important to R14. I have tested the patch set about as far as I can go. The time has arrived for additional eyes to help spot possible remaining bugs. :-) I am not blindly pushing this patch set. I have been testing the patches for a long time and have been focused on looking for breakage with daily usability testing. Making these global changes has taken me a long time to test. Overall I'm pleased with the effort and excepting possible bugs, I think everybody in the Trinity community will be pleased too. Do I expect breakage? The conservative answer is probably. No person is capable of knowing every conceivable usage of Trinity. I have tried to be as diligent as possible with my testing, but I don't use every single Trinity feature --- I'm not even aware of them all :-). There is a likelihood I missed something. With that said, when testing from GIT be sure to use the patched starttde. If you use your own customized starttde, then you need to know where your profile will break. Profile breakage is guaranteed if you don't use the patched starttde, or you don't backport the patch to your customized starttde. Trinity will load and run but oddball things happen when the profile is not updated to match the patch set. When using the patched starttde there should be no profile problems because starttde updates the profile. This update process is a one-time event and is recorded in kdeglobals. In my testing I did not notice any slowdown in starttde caused by this one time event. Possibly those people with significantly large profiles might see a one-time delay, but probably no more than a few seconds. I do not claim to being a shell script wizard. I welcome any starttde patching improvements. Please do not attempt to backport this large patch set to 3.5.13. Please do not attempt to backport the related starttde patches to 3.5.13. These changes are for R14 [DEVELOPMENT] and forward. Backporting will cause breakage. Known challenges with developing the patch set: * Update user's profile starttde will update profile *.desktop files * User-defined keyboard shortcuts break starttde will update shortcuts * User-defined file associations are ignored starttde will update profilerc * Sym links to $TDEDIR/share/applications/kde break and must be relinked -> $TDEDIR/share/applications/tde starttde will fix sym links in Autostart NOTE: starttde does NOT fix non profile sym links * One issue I can't update because root permissions are required to fix, but when using $TDEDIRS, be sure to rename $TDEDIRS/share/applications/kde -> $TDEDIRS/share/applications/tde. Clues include duplication in the TDE menu. Notice I refer to $TDEDIRS and not $TDEDIR. I tested the patched starttde against a current Trinity profile, a kde3 profile, and a 4-month old profile. All updated as expected. GIT Testing: * Please make a backup of your $TDEHOME profile directory. * The backup profile will help troubleshoot bugs in the patched starttde by providing a convenient way to restore the old profile and retesting. * The first time the patched starttde runs, as explained there will be some updating of profile files. When the update process completes, starttde will stamp $TDEHOME/share/config/kdeglobals: [R14 XDG Updates] Updated=true * If you find odd things happening, exit the session, delete those two lines from kdeglobals or change the key to false and start TDE again. This will force the patched starttde to run the updates again. * Report any related bugs to the developer's mail list or in bug report 892. * Ignoring bugs, the entire patch set and profile updates should be transparent to users. Users should not notice anything. I will push this patch set in two phases. First, because I have been building and testing the patches outside of my local GIT repository, I'm going to merge those patches with my local tree and run a full build set. That will take most of the day. Then after verifying no obvious build or usability issues, I'll push the patches to the central GIT repository. I will post another message to the list when I start pushing upstream. Otherwise building from the GIT tree during that period will create some strange results, not in building, but usability. :-) Basically I'm posting now as a forewarning. :-) This is a large undertaking, hence my post before pushing the patch set. This patch set is needed one way or another. The sooner we push the sooner we all can test, which is the nature of the GIT sources. I am not expecting traumatic failures because I have been using a patched Trinity in daily usage. Nonetheless, thank you everybody for your patience and confidence! Darrell

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KControl Anomalies
by Darrell Anderson 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

Would somebody please run a quick check in KControl to confirm the following: * Large category icons. Screen grabs: http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png * Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web Browser. Screen grab: http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png * Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen grab: http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png Thanks. Darrell

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Kate/Kwrite version numbers
by Darrell Anderson 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

Would somebody using the latest GIT let me know what version numbers are displayed for kate and kwrite (Help/About)? Thanks. Darrell

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Arch removes udev - tdeinit fails to start - what next?
by David C. Rankin 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

Calvin, What's the fix? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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kmenuedit - libpng warning sent back to command line
by David C. Rankin 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

All, Running kmenuedit from the command line, I received the following: 15:05 valkyrie:~> kmenuedit 15:05 valkyrie:~> libpng warning: Interlace handling should be turned on when using png_read_image Is that something that needs to be addressed? Or, is that just a message that can be turned on/off? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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twin4 (game)
by Darrell Anderson 07 Jun '12

07 Jun '12

I'm looking for breakage with a patch set for bug report 892. In that testing I tried to play twin4, a Connect Four type game. The game is broken here. All I'm asking is for somebody who is using GIT packages to test whether the game works. Select one of the arrows in the top row to insert a disk in a column. That's all. :-) The game is listed as kwin4 in the TDE menu (Games/Board games). I have a patch for those branding issues. Thanks! Darrell

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Updating svgz images
by Darrell Anderson 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

A while ago we updated several wallpaper svgz images. How did we do that --- what software was used? I updated several png images in GIT hash 49c4ccfe to fix some branding. I would like to update a related svgz, but I don't how. The specific file to update: tdebase/kcontrol/pics/crsc-app-background.svgz. View tdebase/kcontrol/pics/cr128-app-background.png in the latest GIT to see how I updated that image. The svgz should look the same. Thanks! Darrell

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Reducing menu clutter with KDE4
by Darrell Anderson 05 Jun '12

05 Jun '12

I'm looking for help with reorganizing the TDE menu when TDE and KDE4 menu are installed concurrently. In a word: clutter. I'm getting ready to push a huge patch set that will help liberate TDE using our own XDG registrations. That effort will help avoid potential conflicts with KDE4. More to come about that patch set (refer to bug report 892), but the patch is looking very good at the moment. A while ago I filed bug report 977 (http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=977). Please read the bug report to understand the goal of moving the KDE4 menu items. I want to create a separate KDE4 top-level menu and let the KDE4 menu appear there. Although KDE4 apps are uniquely identified with a "[KDE4]" text marker in the menu (created in tdelibs/kio/kio/kservice.cpp), when TDE is installed concurrently with KDE4 there is nonetheless some serious menu clutter. Moving KDE4 menus to their own location would reduce that clutter. Moving allows TDE to display its own set of apps. Users decide which version of duplicate apps they prefer, but moving the KDE4 menu establishes that the user is running TDE. I'm thinking with the upcoming patch set that moving the KDE4 menus probably is doable. Now is a good time to test this while I finalize testing for the upcoming patch set. I have nominally tested adding a <Not><Category>KDE<Category></Not> set to prevent KDE4 items from appearing in a menu category. That removes the KDE4 items from the main TDE menu and reduces clutter. I'm struggling to get the KDE4 menu to appear by itself in the top level. Basically I want to merge /etc/kde/xdg/menus/applications.menu into the TDE applications.menu. I appreciate any help. Thanks! Darrell

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