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Proposed About/FAQ Draft
by Darrell Anderson 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

I started a proposed draft of a new About/FAQ page for the web site. You'll find the document in the Etherpad "Official FAQ and Q&A" pad. This is a PROPOSED document. Please keep the document internal to Etherpad members. I volunteer to coordinate editorial changes but prefer to forward the final document to the webmaster for updating the web site. Who is the webmaster? Please use the original text document I submitted (you'll find that in the Etherpad) and forward your mark up to me so I can diff the files. This is a draft process. Nothing is etched in stone. Nothing yet is being uploaded to the web site. How do we want to approve the final copy of the draft? Darrell

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Fwd: Re: [trinity-devel] Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] The release notes/product highlights for 12.1
by Serghei Amelian 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

Hello, I really dislike this kind of childish conflicts :( ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Fwd: Re: [trinity-devel] Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] The release notes/product highlights for 12.1 Date: Saturday 12 November 2011, 00:10:49 From: Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> To: Serghei Amelian <serghei(a)thel.ro> Hi, Sergei! Since Pearson accused me in criminal violations and banned from the mailing list, please forward my last response which I was unable to post with an answer about crimes I allegedly commited. ------------------------------------------------------- -- Serghei

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Fwd: additional programs for 3.5.13
by Werner Joss 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

as stated below, I forward this here, maybe there is an interest to include e.g. kasablanca, kio-ftps or keurocalc in the official 3.5.13 (or 14) repo ? in addition, I saw that all locales for koffice-trinity are missing. I think, these should they be included, in any case. (I like koffice 1.6.3 very much, especially kspread/kword, it's lightweight, fast and more than sufficient for simple tasks..) werner ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: additional programs for 3.5.13 Date: Sonntag, 13. November 2011, 12:16:10 From: Werner Joss <werner(a)hoernerfranzracing.de> An: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net hello all, I just want to announce that I have now succeeded in building most of my favourite kde 3.5 applications which are not in the trinity repos, for trinity 3.5.13 on debian squeeze, see http://www.hoernerfranzracing.de/zip/trinity/index.html if anyone is interested, feel free to check them out. but keep in mind, that these are _not_ official trinity packages, nor guaranteed to work as expected, though I can confirm *worksforme* :) werner p.s.: I'll also ask on the devel list if there is interest for any of these to be incorporated in the official trinity applications tree (in which case I will first have to learn how to build proper debian packages...) -------------------------------------------------------

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Mankind Needs KDE3! Ilya and Tim Please Reconcile! was: Appeal for freedom of speech
by Mark S Bilk 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

Dear Ilya and Timothy, I am using OpenSuse 11.4 with KDE:KDE3 and am VERY grateful for it! Many thanks, Ilya! At the same time, I'm also very interested in the Trinity Desktop. Thanks, Timothy for all the great effort you are putting into it! KDE:KDE3 and Trinity are brother projects. The hostility between the two of you must stop. Timothy, you have made a beginning on this. Ilya, please accept Tim's effort toward reconciliation. Both of you please think back to the time when you felt good toward each other, and restore that feeling now! Forget the angry things that were said. Just begin anew emotionally! This is needed for the benefit, and perhaps the survival, of the human race! I say that because KDE4 has been crippled in various ways. Crippled KDE4 creates a crippled GNU/Linux! But the people of the world greatly need fully functional Linux for worldwide communication and political and economic organization. At this unique moment in history, the world is at a crossroads. The people of this planet have been dominated by wealthy and powerful psychopaths for thousands of years. These monsters control most of our governments and news media. But now with the Internet, people have been exchanging accurate information about how the world works, and what's really going on. Free open-source software runs the Internet, and it is also much more resistant than proprietary software to the increasing efforts by governments and corporations to censor the Net. The human race needs fully functional GNU/Linux with the power of KDE3, not crippled KDE4! KDE4 has been crippled in many ways. The desktop names in the KDE4 desktop pager are not readable, so any more than about 4 desktops are very hard to use. I use 20 desktops. KDE4 enforces the use of the phonon audio system, which won't work with the audio chip of my merely 4 year old Asus motherboard, and many others as well. These two things alone are sufficient to persuade many Linux experts not to recommend Linux with KDE4 to people, at least not enthusiastically. Linux must support the older machines found in less wealthy nations. The bullshit KDE4 marketing ploy of renaming everything "plasma-this" and "plasma-that", as if they really invented something new, and the ridiculously complex and useless visual theming system for every tiny part of the GUI, and the stupid "cashews" and the poor UI for adjusting the panels, etc, etc, are also very offensive to rational, thinking people. We don't like to be manipulated! Without a good KDE -- which means KDE3, not KDE4 -- Linux will not be widely recommended by expert Linux users, and thus will not be widely adopted by new people. The other desktop environments are becoming more oriented toward small-screen tablets and mobile phones, which are not suitable for getting real work done, and storing and organizing large amounts of data on multiple subjects, for thinking people with multiple interests (power users). Without wide adoption of Linux and other free software, for communication and organization of the emerging World Community of people, humanity will suffer even more under the military and economic attacks by various corporate-controlled governments than it has already. KDE was always the DE of choice among Linux power users before KDE4. The crippled KDE4 means crippled Linux for any distro that does not also offer easy selection of KDE3. The world is now at a major turning point in history that can lead either to total domination by the wealthy, and thus world fascism and war, or to a World Community where all people benefit from economic activity and work and share ideas together. Excellent, functional Linux, which means fully functional KDE3, is vital to history turning in a good direction now, since it's essential for communication and organization among the people of the world. It also serves as a model of how sharing instead of competing can work in areas other than software. This is already happening in the publication of scientific papers freely accessible on the Web. So, Ilya and Timothy, the results of your work go far beyond a set of software. No one knows how close we are to total nuclear annihilation by the vicious wars of the governments controlled by the ultra-wealthy, or to an electronic and computer enforced worldwide fascist police state far worse than what the Nazis and Stalinists created. The human race needs to pull out of this nose-dive into extinction, and that means very good worldwide communication via the Net and personal computers, which means Linux and KDE3. So please, Ilya, accept Tim's efforts of reconciliation. Both of you please stop saying anything negative about the other person and project for a while. If you need to criticize, please do it gently, kindly, and constructively. The work you are doing is extremely important! Both of you please re-think whether one or the other or both projects can be upstream (I don't really know what that means). Just forget about previous negative feelings toward each other. Lots of people are trying to save the human species from attacks by real monster psychopaths with weapons that can kill millions. The two of you may not have realized it, but your efforts and successes with KDE3, and thus with the increased worldwide adoption of GNU/Linux can help humankind substantially! Sincerely, Mark S Bilk mark(a)cosmicpenguin.com phone 650-968-1065 any time

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Bug Report 293
by Darrell Anderson 13 Nov '11

13 Nov '11

http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=293 Is anybody using 3.5.13 experiencing this bug? (Notice the problem occurs when kde-config is run non-interactive.) Darrell

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tdelibs code from git not compiling (arch)
by L0ner sh4dou 12 Nov '11

12 Nov '11

I'm continuing my attempt to compile trinity on arch. I got this during tdelibs compilation http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/506736/ Is this some error that sneaked into git tree code, or I'm missing some dependency?

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Fix for a nasty memleak in knetworkmanager and a tiny improvement
by Raphaël Prevost 12 Nov '11

12 Nov '11

Hello, Here is some old patches I did for KDE 3.5 you may also be interested in applying to Trinity, as they fix some annoying issues with knetworkmanager. The first patch fixes a memory leak in dbus-1-qt3, which cause knetworkmanager to leak about 4 megs/hour. Basically, the function QDBusConnection::sendWithReply() encapsulates the reply with QDBusMessage::fromDBusMessage(), the problem is dbus_connection_send_with_reply_and_block() already dbus_message_ref() the message, and QDBusMessage::fromDBusMessage() do it again. So, when the QDBusMessage object is later destroyed, dbus_message_unref() is called but the refcount is still at 1... so the message never get free'd. I tried removing the _ref() from QDBusMessage::fromDBusMessage(), but then knetworkmanager crashes, so I guess some messages are actually copied using this function somewhere else in the code. Simply using _unref() on the reply in QDBusConnection::sendWithReply() before returning looks like the most pragmatic solution. --- qdbusconnection.cpp 2008-06-06 02:35:56.000000000 +0800 +++ qdbusconnection.cpp.new 2011-10-30 21:45:06.300981252 +0800 @@ -285,7 +285,12 @@ dbus_message_unref(msg); - return QDBusMessage::fromDBusMessage(reply); + QDBusMessage mess = QDBusMessage::fromDBusMessage(reply); + + /* XXX fromDbusMessage do a ref(), avoid leaking */ + dbus_message_unref(reply); + + return mess; } void QDBusConnection::flush() const I have another patch to remove the very annoying lag when typing a WPA passphrase in the "Add connection" wizard. The code is very bad, it computes the hash of the passphrase every time the user inputs a character, so typing is slow and laggy even on my i7 CPU. Here is a fix to only compute the hash when the QLineEdit lose focus. patch -l -p0 knetworkmanager-connection_setting_wireless_security_widget.h

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Packaging question regarding /usr/docs
by Darrell Anderson 12 Nov '11

12 Nov '11

When packaging Trinity to install in a non conflicting location such as /opt/trinity ($PREFIX), should associated documentation files still be installed in /usr/doc/$PACKAGE_NAME or installed in $PREFIX/doc/$PACKAGE_NAME? I believe convention calls for still installing in /usr/doc but I want to make sure. Thanks. Darrell

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Strange behavior when building kdelibs 3.5.13
by Darrell Anderson 12 Nov '11

12 Nov '11

I am running a full pass of my build scripts to ensure they function as expected. This time kdelibs failed to build. Looking at the build log revealed the same strange error I saw when initially trying to build kdevelop about not finding tqt.h. With kdevelop I was instructed to run an on-the-fly patch of the CMakeLists.txt files in the package to change TQT_INCLUDE_DIRS to TQT_INCLUDEDIR. I created the same type of patch for kdelibs and kdelibs then built without error. Why did this suddenly happen when during my first run at building packages I never had any such error with kdelibs? Does this kdelibs patch make sense? If so, why? Thanks. Darrell

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libltdl missing from arts
by L0ner sh4dou 12 Nov '11

12 Nov '11

While compiling trinity manually on arch I discovered that libltdl was removed from arts source tree. I got errors both on CMake configuration stage (http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/506509/) as on compilation stage (http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/504813/). Luckily i found on my HDD trinity code I pulled just before version froze and which I thought I deleted. After putting the missing libltdl dir into current arts dir both CMake configuration and compilation went without errors. Apparently libltdl from arts is not quite the same thing that is available in package form in most distributions main repos. As it is said in arts libltdl readme it has been slightly modified to make it work with KDE. As for now it should be put back in the arts, since miss of it prevents arts compilation. Whole missing thing compressed: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26010362/libltdl.tar.gz

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