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Re: DANGEROUS LINUX PROGRAM CALLED "TRINITY"
by Mark S Bilk 28 Dec '15

28 Dec '15

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 12:31:23AM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Sunday 27 December 2015 05:33:45 Mark S Bilk wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 07:17:57PM +0000, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> The K was originally suggested to stand for "Kool", but it was >> >> decided that the K should stand for nothing in particular. >> > >> >Because of the horror that suggestion would have produced in some of us. >> >I _could_ not have used something called "Kool". Lisi, In another message you seemed to associate the word "kool" with the substitution of "u" for "you" by "the youth-aspiring middle-aged". So perhaps you are horrified by the usage of "kool" for what you perceive to be the same purpose by such people? Correct me if I'm wrong. That leaves "Ka". >> >Mind you, the Ford Ka still seems to be selling. But not to me. >> >> OK, now I'm really confused. The horror of "kool" might be due >> to a dislike of language corruption. But what's wrong with "Ka"? >> It has many different meanings, some of them thousands of years old: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka >> >> It was part of the ancient Egyptian idea of the soul: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_concept_of_the_soul#Ka_.28vi >>tal_spark.29 >> Lisi, please explain why "Ka" is repulsive to you and others. >> Please use terms that don't require readers to have your >> particular mental/cultural/ethnic context (whatever that might be). >What is your age, nationality and education? (All relevant here.) 70, American, two years university and much independent study. >If you don't understand, you don't understand. Does that mean you don't intend to explain your dislike of "Ka", because you think the reason for it is obvious? I hope you will explain it anyhow. Perhaps some other list subscribers would write in and say whether "Ka" has any unpleasant associations for them? >Or are you just being specious? No, I am not lying. Mark

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Re: [trinity-users] DANGEROUS LINUX PROGRAM CALLED "TRINITY"
by Michele Calgaro 28 Dec '15

28 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 2015/12/26 10:47 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 26 December 2015 05:43:01 Mark S Bilk wrote: >> and told not to find it via Google, etc. > > People DO look for things via Google. Trinity, as opposed to the original KDE-Trinity, was an unfortunate choice > of name when it comes to search engines, and nowadays it usually does come to search engines. Perhaps determinedly > call ourselves TDE _not_ Trinity. After all, the K in KDE didn't mean anything. > > Lisi > Trinity (not Trinity Desktop) is not a dangerous program. It is a kernel fuzz tester, that calls system calls at random and it is intended to be used to spot bugs otherwise difficult to detect. Having said that, the name in not a fortunate choice, since it partially match with Trinity Desktop Environment, which as raised by Mark it can generate confusion among new users. So we just need to make sure we always refer to TDE either as TDE or Trinity Desktop Environment or at least Trinity Desktop. As for the K in KDE, it initially meant "Kool", from which the make KDE. Cheers Michele -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWfoRmAAoJECp1t8qK3tXPIvoQALa8iv5Jtreb6vfL+gPecXVC SFhoz7NTxC/ojcvlLN6PO9uKDrye+jfchyeoApe42FndxjQS3qV6OrNeVj7vTMNt pUci38QKX8NZywLLmKLpUaWkfaJ1Ffzq6GjlINUFNRi/C+0QV67LRoKjFojWeawb bH6PRWIfgEcZ8/3D766BIsmZgRFEKKBnDiu7oEcgpxVOgIRNgMtrOeBrvhPvQ4+H byY58Peq6WttXcutnqZRe6IsTTXfiolqxAp9pLXTIZvj27Jl0TFa7EU9l/5ZGs9U RhnzjpbEvH/r7hvdE4tQWuC3fuEDIF6Lqkzlu2f8X7yahioDfwo9cZmNt7wCUw08 HBEWfO9i9iwT7QNTqNOPHEuK8vsWFcV9NqKr0Y75mAk/auYBr/Fg6mBkdfg/+P8z ON6qBqabkoNV41y8M5oWAWEtYs0TeDscHfQOMl9EoYc/BHOKAltTyAO0a2WmvRgu +eNbeDqJzkV87uxdA5rTbDTLcBQrOenGc8wlZ8bJBMP1PtjyYBMduIexauz8KoVR 89/2Cfo5uYm8Acxvx4Feh57BJAHC5njzowHWyNUhdXtBx8tvHkk7TLKVL8Y/PGW2 uc9TBVmMVBkfxrKVaEwKYs325N6OQzy2ymRtVkImT47b5nS83JiFfr4aGMg9BHo6 lVXsLTUURKgYd567QB/r =Cj1S -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DANGEROUS LINUX PROGRAM CALLED "TRINITY"
by Mark S Bilk 26 Dec '15

26 Dec '15

On this website: http://codemonkey.org.uk/projects/trinity/ is a Linux program that makes random system-calls. The author calls it a "fuzzer" and has named it "Trinity". When run, it creates lots of junk files, can delete pre-existing files, and do anything else the OS can do. A friend of mine wanted to install TDE, but carelessly ran that "fuzzer" program instead. He cleaned out the junk files but doesn't know what other damage has been done. People need to be warned about that program! I sent e-mail to the author asking him to put a warning on his web page for people seeking TDE, but I don't know if he will do it. Prospective TDE users must be sent here directly: http://trinitydesktop.org/ and told not to find it via Google, etc.

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tqtinterface and tqt build without opengl issue
by Fat-Zer 25 Dec '15

25 Dec '15

Hi I run into an issue when building tqt and tde without opengl. The build of tqtinterface fails with: === In file included from /var/tmp/portage/dev-qt/tqtinterface-9999/work/tqtinterface/qtinterface/interface_tqt3/tqgl.cpp:23:0: /usr/tqt3/include/ntqgl.h:83:21: fatal error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory # include <GL/glu.h> === As you can see it because GL/glu.h is not present on the system (which should be ok for non-opengl build). I don't want to add yet another build time dependency only because of excess header which doesn't needed to produce any code... AFAIK most of cpp files under the tqtinterface produce any useful code so they may be safely removed only slightly changing the cmake files... What do you think about both the issue and future of the tqtinterface? PS: As I can see tqtinterface is a just a legacy by now, so may be it's better to rid of it completely?

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Merry Christmas !
by Baron 24 Dec '15

24 Dec '15

A very merry and happy Christmas to all. Thanks in particular to the Trinity team for a great Desktop Enviroment. Looking forward to 2016 with great expectations. -- Best Regards: Baron

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tdepim/kitchensync unmet dependencies + krb5.h on wheezy
by Michael Howard 21 Dec '15

21 Dec '15

I've been building tde for various architectures (arm, ppc, amd64 ...) and I've come across a couple of issues that maybe somebody could help me with. This is using latest GIT source. I know I could just pull debs from the net. 1. On debian jessie, after building, 'aptitude install tde-trinity' complains with; The following packages have unmet dependencies: kitchensync-trinity : Depends: libopensync0 (>= 0.22) which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: 1) kitchensync-trinity [Not Installed] 2) tde-trinity [Not Installed] 3) tdepim-trinity [Not Installed] but, libopensync0 isn't available in jessie. Obviously, the packages build because Slavek's repo was in the sources.list. So, what gives? It shouldn't need Slavek's repo in the sources.list to install TDE should it? 2. On debian wheezy (yes, I know it's oldstable) tdelibs FTBS. This is due to heimdal/krb5.h as C++ does not permit struct names and typedef names to be the same or so I believe .... Patching krb5.h on wheezy solves the problem. Anyway, is that just a case of wheezy is dead long live jessie and folk are not expected to build on wheezy/ Any info, especially regarding 1, greatly appreciated. Cheers, Mike. --

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old kdebluetooth code - where can I find it
by deloptes 19 Dec '15

19 Dec '15

Hi, I wanted to have a look into the source code, but I'm not sure where I can find it. I found the list of the files from etch kdebluetooth Can you help a bit please? I am sure I have used it in Suse as well. perhaps some few things can be reused and put together to enable bluetooth in TDE. regards

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kwrite/kate - help - find/replace - no documentation on "Placeholders"
by David C. Rankin 12 Dec '15

12 Dec '15

All, The help documentation for kde3/trinity does not include information on the katepart find/replace dialog "Placeholders" text entry box, checkbox or button. Searching, I found where it was later added in KDE4. https://docs.kde.org/trunk4/en/kde-runtime/fundamentals/find.html A somewhat expanded version of that help is included below. I opened a eature request http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2558 (dunno if Darrell is still the help Maestro, so it is there for anyone to patch/submit - I don't have a current clone of the repo or I'd do it.): Replacement Text Here you may enter the text to replace the text or expression entered in the "Text to find:" entry combobox. You can reuse all or part of the "Text to find:" text or expression in the "Replacement text" by selecting the "Use placeholders" checkbox. Placeholders, also known as 'backreferences', are a special character sequence that will be replaced with all or part of the original text or expression. They offer a short-cut to entering a full "Replacement text" expression. For instance, by default "\0" represents the complete 'pattern space' matched as a result of the text or expression entered in the "Text to find:" box. (a backreference to the entire matched string). You may insert placeholders into the "Replacement text" box by clicking the "Insert Placeholder" button, then selecting an option from the menu like 'Complete Match'. For example, if you are searching for "message", and you want to replace it with messages insert the Complete Match placeholder and add and "s". The replace field will then contain "\0s". If Kate is installed, you can learn more about placeholders in the 'Regular Expressions' appendix of its documentation. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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TDEPIM status and possibility to extend it to support syncevolution
by deloptes 12 Dec '15

12 Dec '15

Hi all, as many of you may have followed the discussion in the user list regarding a syncing with mobile phone and other mobile devices, I would like to open a discussion on that subject as it looks like we have a base (TDEPIM) but no decent way to answer the recent developments in the mobile scene. Is someone here willing to help round up a plan what needs to be done to cover the aspects in the context of TDE and TDEPIM. I'm sure all of us use some kind of mobile devices that can be synced with each other - and it would be a great great idea to have it in TDE. Unfortunately I dropped any work perhaps in 2010 and did not follow up the further development of akonadi. I still follow the syncevolution. Opensync works great except the syncML protocol, which turned out to be crucial in terms of mobile devices. I don't know what tablets use and especially the Jolla one I would like to buy. I also don't know what are the plans in TDE. I recall I read somewhere that there is a plan to make use of the newest Qt and KDE4/5 libraries. I would appreciate any help drafting the steps to bring us to a working solution as it looks like TDE is indeed realy good and useful to all of us. I can speak of myself only and I use it private and for business with a great success. Thank you in advance

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GIT Problems - Cloning TDE Source
by Michael Howard 03 Dec '15

03 Dec '15

Hi Guys, Firstly, my apologies to Tim, Slavek, Michele and Francois as I sent them a direct email regarding this problem because I thought the mailing list was down but in fact, it was my mail server blocking list messages because the Reverse DNS check failed for 'mail.pearsoncomputing.net'. So, to my problem (Apologies again, if this gets duplicated); I've been trying to clone the source repo for the last few days, using 'git clone' as per the wiki, but it keeps failing with various disconnection errors. The repo is painfully slow (worse than watching paint dry) which probably isn't helping. My connection here seems fine. I got 1.5G of data at one point before it failed but as far as I know, there is no way to restart from a 'git pull' failure. My latest attempt has been running for 9 hours and I've got 107M of data at less than 10KiB/s. Is the source available from anywhere else other than 'scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde' or has anybody any ideas on how best to proceed? Is this due to the size of the repo and http(s)? It used to work fine. Cheers, Mike. -- Mike Howard

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