Re: [trinity-devel] Query about Gentoo and Trinity

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 23:47:33 +0300 Fat-Zer <fatzer2(a)gmail.com> wrote: I've been here for a long time--I just don't talk very much. ;) I hadn't intended working with live ebuilds or anything before 14.0.0, since I'd also noticed a lot of little problems coming out of the change in version number styles. I've actually been using your live ebuilds as a starting point for working with the applications that aren't part of tdebase. So far they've all worked for 14.0.0 with minimal changes, except for kiconedit and tdegraphics-tdefile-plugins (one failed to compile, the other to install, I think). If I get anywhere with this, I'm going to have to email him, since he doesn't seem to be hanging around here. Just as a courtesy, to let him know I may be incorporating some of his work. I know his KEYWORDS don't match yours (he had ~x86 only for all ebuilds). Now that you've warned me, I'll check his DEPs against yours and against kde-sunset. For all I know, it might still be on github (it was under Roman's account, not mine). I can't find any trace of it now, though. I'll have to sort through my old email one of these days to see if I can find the messages I exchanged with him. I didn't think there was, but I figured I'd ask. I spent three days on it and got nowhere useful. I can get the packages to configure, but the ones I tried errored out during the actual build. I suspect there's an issue with the portage sandbox. Either that, or I mangled the supporting eclasses while I was ripping out code for obsolete KDE3 (and KDE2!) versions. Or some of the old patches built into the eclasses are doing something evil. Too many possibilities, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to sort through them. You've already packaged everything I use myself except k3b, filelight, kmix, and a couple of things from tdegames. I can live without the games, but I may ask you to do k3b and filelight if I can't get them to work any other way. After I gave up on the autotools build system, I decided to try my hand at doing the cmake ports for the remaining base packages myself. We'll see how that goes. I've got a tentative set of files for kdat, but I've been too chicken to actually try to use them yet. ;) Even if I can get this to work, it's going to take a very long time. I'm also only human, after all. I've spent most of my programming career up to this point avoiding C, C++, and their associated build systems. I should have known I was building up karma. Depends on how thorough the testing needs to be. I've already figured out how to version-bump, re-manifest, and build all the ebuilds in the overlay with a Perl script (it helps that everything that needs to be bumped has the same target version number). I've just got to smoothe out a few more details, and then I'll use it to bump everything I've got from 14.0.0 to 14.0.2 and see if it works. Testing all the packages thoroughly with one or two people isn't possible, period. I'm checking each new ebuild I add to make sure that the program starts and a sensible-looking GUI comes up (where appropriate). After that, I intend to do the same check in rotation for the packages I don't actually use, looking at one or two meta-packages each version-bump. I mean, there isn't much more I *can* do. The desktop files are only a concern if they're so malformed they don't work. Otherwise, the average user (and even many developers) won't care. Likewise, other problems only matter at this stage if something is broken in a way that would upset the users. Being up to the same standards as the main portage tree would be nice, but I don't think that's practical without more manpower. The missing base modules, on the other hand, are a problem. That's why I'm trying to fix it. tdeaddons has already been ported to cmake and I've already thrown together ebuilds for a couple of the packages (kate-plugins works quite nicely, but I had less luck with kicker-applets). However, if I can't get at least most of tdeadmin, tdepim, and tdemultimedia to work, I won't be trying to make this an official overlay. That's about 50 more ebuilds. Ugh. Having the other packages in there too would be nice, but tdegames isn't a necessity and edu, webdev, and accessibility are only of use to small subsets of users. I suspect that one of the problems with TDE on Gentoo is that most Gentoo users haven't even heard of it. Making access easier will (I hope) draw the attention of some people. If even one of them pitches in to write and test ebuilds, it would be a huge help. At that point, the centralization and the version-bumping system will become more useful. Maybe I'm just dreaming, but I'll see if I can keep things moving forward for long enough this time to actually get somewhere. E. Liddell