26 Nov
2011
26 Nov
'11
7:54 a.m.
On 25 November 2011 18:05, Andrea Cascio <andrea(a)nucleus.it> wrote:
2011/11/25 Timothy Pearson
<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>
TDE
This usr move seem like crap to me. This is quite controversial and there
ARE reasons that they were historically placed. I don't see a need to
complicate things further. Ubuntu and Fedora both seem to have fun doing
their own thing without respecting standards or thinking about the greater
FOSS ecosystem. I wish that they would just leave and let be.
Calvin
> 2011/11/25 Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com>
>
>> If the system administrators do this change, how will we accommodate
>> Trinity to it?
>> Fedora is doing it; openSUSE is having an argument about if this is
good
>> or not.
>> Gentoo had a discussion on this, I think.
>>
>> Should this be treated like a simple "let's move to /usr/local" or
has
>> the renaming allowed us to install side by side with KDE4 without the
>> use of /opt?
>
>
> I have read this proposal some time ago, and even if don't entirely
agree
> with it because I don't consider it
painless as everybody seems to
> believe,
> I think it can also lead to interesting possibilities.
> It seems that /opt is not even considered in the plan. To me /opt
doesn't
> stink :) I think it's a reasonable short
term solution, as long as
$PATH
> keeps working the traditional way (as it
should for a long time).
> Of course a complete rename of every application, binary, lib, man and
so
> on, to avoid any name collision with KDE,
even installing in the same
> paths, is the true long term solution. But I really don't know if this
is
already
the case. Timothy?
Renaming konsole and other applications will be very difficult, as the userbase is quite familiar with the existing
names. If I were to start
renaming these applications I suspect I would have a mass migration to
LXDE or another desktop entirely, as the learning curves will tilt in
favor of a more mainstream desktop.
True. Then, sooner or later I think we should resolve name collisions by
keeping
the traditional names in desktop-files, application names and
documentation
while altering the names of packages, dirs, libs, binaries and so on.
Maybe with a standard suffix (-trinity or -tde?)
As an example we will have the package konsole-tde installing docs in
/usr/share/.../konsole-tde/ and the binary in /usr/bin/konsole-tde but
still showing
itself as just "Konsole" to the user (or Konsole [TDE]?)
It's somehow... ugly, and it surely needs a lot of work, but I can't
think about a better
long-term solution for now.
In the meanwhile, of course, /opt is our friend, so we have a lot of
time to do more
important work and think about a better idea. :)