De: Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz Asunto: Re: [trinity-devel] Experiences installing TDE - some comments for TDE improvements Para: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Fecha: jueves, 20 de septiembre, 2012 19:05 On Wednesday 19 of September 2012 19:35:30 Alexis PM wrote:
Hello
In order to help improve TDE, I want to tell my
experiences with TDE
starting from a clean install of Debian Squeeze minimal
(within X) from the
viewpoint of a Spanish desktop user. The problems,
pitfalls or things I've
found are improving (I report all as bugs in the bug
tracker to be
systematic):
- Trinity Webpage could be translated into several
languages without
much problem, I think there are collaborators with
enough time and desire
to make it viable. A call to collaborators through the
mailing list to
create working groups could be. I offer to help as
Spanish-spoken.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1220
- Debian installation intructions improvements:
- Refers to "sudo", but Debian as a "su" distro by
default, like most
distros. If you're a newbie and follow to the letter
the instructions, the
lines with "sudo" not work
- Lack reference to the translation packages, example
"For Spanish
translate, apt-get install kde-trinity-i18n-es"
- For laptops, kpowersave-trinity is essential, it
shoul be indicate in the
intructions as "if you have a laptop..." or similar.
- A graphical network manager as
network-manager-kde-trinity is very util,
it shoul be indicate in the intructions as "if you want
to have a graphical
network manager and you are not using a other as wicd,
you..." or similar.
May notice about network-manager versions incompatible
with
network-manager-kde-trinity. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221
- Applications of interest:
- Kmix should be in the System Tray.
I don't report, I think is reported in http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503
- IMHO k3b-trinity and kima-trinity should be in the
default TDE
installation, are useful for the general public. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1222
- Kpersonalizer:
- Keramic theme is broken, not see the title bar of the
windows or
close/maximize /minimize buttons. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1223
- Kpersonalizer is partially in English despite having
chosen Spanish. I
can help with it. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225
- Keyboard in English despite having chosen Spanish in
Kpersonalizer. I
have to do KControl > Keyboard Layout > Enable
keyboard layout & Show
indicator for single layout. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1224
- Parts of the system are in English, lack of a
complete Spanish
translations. For example, "Hibernate computer" and
"Suspend computer" in
the "End session" window. I can help with it. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225
- KDM problems:
- KDM don't draw well the background, artifacts can be
seen. I think I
solved it with KControl > System admin > Login
manager > Apparance >
Compositor: Trinity compositor. If choosing Trinity
Compositor solve the
problem, the package should be reconfigured to do
it by default.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1226
- "Finish actual session" in "End session" window
dialog don't work, just a
black screen appears instead of KDM. Doing Ctrl-Alt-F1
& Ctrl-Alt-F6, the
KDM window is visible very briefly. I read something
similar, related with
graphic card (this is a Nvidia, and use the nouveau
driver), I don't know.
Related: In Exe GNU/Linux, a Debian live CD distro with
TDE as desktop
environment: * In a live session, if you choose "Change
session" in the TDE
exit dialog, you find a KDM login window answer you
about user name and
password - could be auto-restart the TDE desktop
- In a HD-installation session, the KDM login window
option "Reboot" don't
work, the system stays in terminal login (you can
insert your user name and
password, and the system remains in terminal modex", you can use "startx"
:P )
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1227 Possible related with http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59 and http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419
- Sudo problems: In a recent mail ( "Clean TDE of
Kubuntu references",
did a review of the
problems derivated of the Ubuntu reminiscences dragged
by TDE project, as
sudo-dependence of TDE nonexistent in the KDE 3.5
original. A set of new
sudo-related bugs:
- Konsole as SuperUser: T > System > SuperUser
Konsole: a Konsole window appears ask for "[sudo] password for [user]" - it is a
Debian (no-sudo)
system, therefore neither user password (user is not in
/etc/sudoers)
neither root password (demand sudo) work. Konqueror as
root in the "T >
System > SuperUser" dialog works well. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1228
- In T > System, other applications as KPackage
open, but for a action ask
for "SUDO password", and again neither user password
neither root password
work. But KUser in T > System work well with root
password.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1229
- I installed Synaptic. But Synaptic in T > System
don't work to enter the
root password. Synaptic via "Run command" answer
"KDEInit could not launch
'su-to-root': could not find 'su-to-root' executable".
However, "kdesu
synaptic" works well. http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1230
- I suggest the following changes in file associations
(in Konqueror:
Preferences > Configure Konqueror)
- Kwrite instead of Kate for plain-text files - I think
Kwrite is simpler
- Iceweasel instead of Konqueror for HTML files
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231
Thanks!
Alexis,
Thank you for your detailed research. I believe that you will find some of these problems resolved in upcoming release 3.5.13.1. Issues that remain unresolved in 3.5.13.1, we leave to solution later - they will not block release 3.5.13.1.
I am glad for your interest in translations to Spanish. Do you think you managed to get one more volunteer with whom you could revise translations of each other?
Thank you for your efforts, interest and look forward to further cooperation.
Slávek
Slávek,
Thank you very much for your words and interest for improvement the project. My only intention with this constructive criticism to help improve TDE. I upgrade TDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.13.1 (via repo: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu squeeze main). Few bugs have been fixed (4a - Keramic theme), others unfortunately remain the same (as all su/sudo bugs: Konsole as SuperUser, Kpackage, Synaptic), and others have appeared (turn-off and restart http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1233 and KDM Ctrl+Alt+Del http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 ). Your work with the repo is good, you just have to improve some aspects. I want to help TDE, because I think KDE-3 was the best desktop of all. My contributions are limited to bug-hunter and translator. I like to help with the translation into Spanish... where to start?
Thanks!