20 Sep
2012
20 Sep
'12
11:23 p.m.
De: Slávek Banko <slavek.banko(a)axis.cz>
Asunto: Re: [trinity-devel] Experiences installing TDE - some comments for TDE
improvements
Para: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Fecha: jueves, 20 de septiembre, 2012 19:05
On Wednesday 19 of September 2012
19:35:30 Alexis PM wrote:
Slávek,
Thank you very much for your words and interest for improvement the project. My only
intention with this constructive criticism to help improve TDE.
I upgrade TDE 3.5.3 to 3.5.13.1 (via repo: deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu squeeze
main). Few bugs have been fixed (4a - Keramic theme), others unfortunately remain the same
(as all su/sudo bugs: Konsole as SuperUser, Kpackage, Synaptic), and others have appeared
(turn-off and restart http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1233 and
KDM Ctrl+Alt+Del http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 ). Your
work with the repo is good, you just have to improve some aspects.
I want to help TDE, because I think KDE-3 was the best desktop of all. My contributions
are limited to bug-hunter and translator. I like to help with the translation into
Spanish... where to start?
Thanks!
Hello
In order to help improve TDE, I want to tell my
experiences with TDE
starting from a clean install of Debian Squeeze
minimal
(within X) from the
viewpoint of a Spanish desktop user. The
problems,
pitfalls or things I've
found are improving (I report all as bugs in the
bug
tracker to be
systematic):
1. Trinity Webpage could be translated into several
languages without
much problem, I think there are collaborators
with
enough time and desire
to make it viable. A call to collaborators
through the
mailing list to
create working groups could be. I offer to help
as
Spanish-spoken.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1220
2. Debian installation intructions improvements:
* Refers to "sudo", but Debian as a "su" distro by
default,
like most
distros. If you're a newbie and follow to the
letter
the instructions, the
lines with "sudo" not work
* Lack reference to the translation packages, example
"For Spanish
translate, apt-get install
kde-trinity-i18n-es"
* For laptops, kpowersave-trinity is essential, it
shoul be indicate in the
intructions as "if you have a
laptop..." or similar.
* A graphical network manager as
network-manager-kde-trinity is very util,
it shoul be indicate in the intructions as
"if you want
to have a graphical
network manager and you are not using a other as
wicd,
you..." or similar.
May notice about network-manager versions
incompatible
with
network-manager-kde-trinity.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221
3. Applications of interest:
* Kmix should be in the System Tray.
I don't report, I think is reported in
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503
* IMHO k3b-trinity and kima-trinity should be in the
default TDE
installation, are useful for the general public.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1222
4. Kpersonalizer:
* Keramic theme is broken, not see the title bar of the
windows or
close/maximize /minimize buttons.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1223
* Kpersonalizer is partially in English despite having
chosen Spanish. I
can help with it.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225
* Keyboard in English despite having chosen Spanish in
Kpersonalizer. I
have to do KControl > Keyboard Layout >
Enable
keyboard layout & Show
indicator for single layout.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1224
5. Parts of the system are in English, lack of a
complete Spanish
translations. For example, "Hibernate
computer" and
"Suspend computer" in
the "End session" window.
I can help with it.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1225
6. KDM problems:
* KDM don't draw well the background, artifacts can be
seen. I think I
solved it with KControl > System admin >
Login
manager > Apparance >
Compositor: Trinity compositor. If choosing
Trinity
Compositor solve the
problem, the package should be reconfigured to
do
it by default.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1226
* "Finish actual session" in "End session" window
dialog
don't work, just a
black screen appears instead of KDM. Doing
Ctrl-Alt-F1
& Ctrl-Alt-F6, the
KDM window is visible very briefly. I read
something
similar, related with
graphic card (this is a Nvidia, and use the
nouveau
driver), I don't know.
Related: In Exe GNU/Linux, a Debian live CD
distro with
TDE as desktop
environment: * In a live session, if you choose
"Change
session" in the TDE
exit dialog, you find a KDM login window answer
you
about user name and
password - could be auto-restart
the TDE desktop
* In a HD-installation session, the KDM login window
option "Reboot"
don't
work, the system stays in terminal login (you can
insert your user name and
password, and the
system remains in terminal modex", you can use "startx"
:P )
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1227
Possible related with
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59
and
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419
7. Sudo problems: In a recent mail ( "Clean TDE of
Kubuntu references",
did a review of the
problems derivated of the Ubuntu reminiscences
dragged
by TDE project, as
sudo-dependence of TDE nonexistent in the KDE
3.5
original. A set of new
sudo-related bugs:
* Konsole as SuperUser: T > System > SuperUser
Konsole: a Konsole window
appears ask for "[sudo] password for [user]" - it is a
Debian (no-sudo)
system, therefore neither user password (user is
not in
/etc/sudoers)
neither root password (demand sudo) work.
Konqueror as
root in the "T >
System > SuperUser" dialog works well.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1228
* In T > System, other applications as KPackage
open, but for a action ask
for "SUDO password", and again neither
user password
neither root password
work. But KUser in T > System work well with
root
password.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1229
* I installed Synaptic. But Synaptic in T > System
don't work to enter the
root password. Synaptic via "Run
command" answer
"KDEInit could not launch
'su-to-root': could not find
'su-to-root' executable".
However, "kdesu
synaptic" works well.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1230
8. I suggest the following changes in file associations
(in Konqueror:
Preferences > Configure Konqueror)
* Kwrite instead of Kate for plain-text files - I think
Kwrite is simpler
* Iceweasel instead of Konqueror for HTML files
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1231
Thanks!
Alexis,
Thank you for your detailed research. I believe that you
will find some of
these problems resolved in upcoming release 3.5.13.1. Issues
that remain
unresolved in 3.5.13.1, we leave to solution later - they
will not block
release 3.5.13.1.
I am glad for your interest in translations to Spanish. Do
you think you
managed to get one more volunteer with whom you could revise
translations of
each other?
Thank you for your efforts, interest
and look forward to further cooperation.
Slávek
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