On Saturday 26 May 2018 22:38:49 Mike Bird wrote: You are the master mirror guy? when was the last time pearson posted in this mailing list? You can't have a project with effectively no leader. Just look at the European Union. I'm sure you'll respect Slavec as dictator of the project. He seam to put most of the effort.

On Saturday 26 May 2018 23:30:45 Mike Bird wrote: Simple question. Who's in charge here?

On Sunday 27 May 2018 00:36:55 Mike Bird wrote: Your logic is flawed. What you have in mind are small one man projects. Big projects need a leader or they fail. A successful example is the Linux kernel with Linus torvalds. An unsuccessful example is freebsd and their ban on hugs. An example of failure in trinity, is the issue of renaming. No one is seeing long term consequences (distros don't like it), just the short term (just shove it in opt). The leader, should be above the crowd. Set long term goals. Take final decisions. See the whole picture of the project. Properly manage people and politics. Deal with other projects. etc.... Leadership matters. Strange group dynamics are involved. In short, the bigger the group, the stupider it gets.

Hi, Please all cool down and remember that Timothy Pearson is providing infrastructure, internet and power-hungry servers for TDE. Even if he does not participate actively on TDE anymore, what he provides is still of great value, probably of a few hundreds of dollars per months. Please consider TDE to be in maintenance mode, with changes made only to make it still work on newer linux systems. (please don't talk to me about the top-posting thing, as I can't do anything else with this ms outlook account. I already proposed the idea of having a forum instead, but it was promptly rejected. But a forum would have avoided the top-posting issues...) Thank you and keep it cool! -Alexandre ________________________________ De : Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> Envoyé : 26 mai 2018 20:02:56 À : trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Objet : Re: [trinity-devel] proposal to change project leader TDE applications are run from menus and icons. TDE users don't care that the executable is called /opt/trinity/bin/kmail. They care that clicking on KMail works as they expect and that it works well. Google Earth is also in /opt and AFAIK not in any major distros. Go and tell Larry and Sergey they're doing it all wrong and they'll explain to you that as Google Earth is an add-on application like TDE rather than a distro like Debian the correct place for both TDE and Google Earth is /opt, not /usr. If and when a distro such as Devuan were to include TDE then they would probably install it in /usr. But TDE users wouldn't notice and wouldn't care. And TDE would still go in /opt when added to systems built from other distros. You are sending a lot of emails, and closing bug reports that are not yet fixed, but I don't see you actually fixing any bugs or doing anything constructive. TDE software works and works well. Therefore the TDE project is working and working well. --Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Am Sonntag, 27. Mai 2018 schrieb wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com: I vote for my cat! He's some invaluable capabilities needed for a leader: first class manipulator, looks cute but has teeth and claws, and not to forget: only eats vagan food! This is easily to be proven: his food eats veagan food, so by mathematical deduction we can conclude he eats only vegan food by eating food that eats vegan food so he has good carma and thats what each project needs! Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:30 AM, Alexandre Couture <ac586133(a)hotmail.com> wrote: which is worth respecting and appreciating. i trust, timothy (if you're reading this) that you're not going to be handing over the domain name? that's precisely why i recommend it for my clients, as it is *not* modified / enhanced / feature-upgraded and so on. my clients are *specifically* used to KDE 3.5 and it would be an unmitigated disaster for it to be "upgraded". forums for software development typically result in it being swamped by AOL-style "metoo" postings... they're suitable for shallow "end-user" conversations and utterly insane for technical development. l.

On Sunday 27 May 2018 12:48:57 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: And they are not enough devs to fix bugs or to update to new standards.

On Sunday 27 May 2018 19:27:24 Mike Bird wrote: Trinity has too many red flags The leader has disappeared. dev mailing list is a ghost town Bugs accumulate and don't get fixed You find easily many unreported bugs. Failure to function with important apps Hackish/sloppy solutions Not enough maintainers No new features/ compliance with standards. The project is dying!!! This is why distros don't touch this. Not even one. (Q4OS is simply one of you guys) **What is needed, is to bend over backwards to go where people are.** To Distros and other popular sites.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Please provide a list of the sloppy solutions and we will try to make them better if possible. Q4OS is not one of TDE development team, AFAICT. But they do a good job at reporting bugs, so it helps. I really would like to see TDE in linux distros, but don't want to eradicate TDE nature to do so. IMHO, if the distro guys are interested, they can start from the packages we are already providing and customize them as they see fit, but TDE as a project would remain the same. The approach is absolutely doable, see Q4OS for a well executed example. Debian could follow the same path if they wish to add TDE and same goes for other distros. I agree that more exposure is more likely to get more devs, but the nature of TDE must remain intact. Efficient. Productive. Cheers Michele

On 05/28/2018 08:09 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Don't make me laugh. You guys, you will not even accept moving the user list to reedit. If you could do that, you would have done so years ago.

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote: if you believe that that would be something you would like to take responsibility for (instead of complaining and accusing), because you feel it would be effective, don't wait for anyone else's permission, go ahead, take responsibility for it and DO IT. ... yeh? so in 2012, when i was earning barely above the minimum amount to feed myself, my partner and my 3 year old daughter - this through various activities that i didn't ask permission for - some motherfucking delusional dickheads decided to hijack the domain of the software libre project that was my primary source of income. within about a month my already dangerously-low income went down from around USD $900 a month to below $500. within three months we were evicted from the property that we lived at: this was actually a good thing because it had, due to the harsh weather, become unfit for human habitation. the water pump for the well failed: we had no drinking water (bear in mind that i had a 3 year old child to look after) and it took screaming at the landlord, threatening to report them, to get it fixed. the complete lack of respect that you are showing towards timothy pearson by using his server's resources to discuss a hostile takeover of the project and to IMPOSE your world view is reminding me of the delusional attitude that those people had, back in 2012. you DO NOT start a discussion in the way that you have, wofgdkncxojef. you need to start with QUESTIONS. your first post should have started "hello i am new here: why does this project appear to be leaderless?" and that would have got you some informed non-confrontational answers that DID NOT PISS EVERYBODY OFF. then you could have moved on to asking if anyone was INTERESTED in changing things from the way that they are, and established a rapport with them. you could then have asked, "does anyone else have any ideas on how to improve the project, i have some suggestions, including leveraging reddit, github, etc. etc." at which point you would have got some useful feedback. instead you went straight in with, "i'm new, fuck you all, you're totally incompetent fuckers, fucking well abandoned the project, i DEMAND that slavek be put in charge cos he's clearly much better than any of you fuckers". to which the only answer is: FUCK OFF. it's just that nobody's really spelled it out to you that way: they're trying to be polite but you're *really* trying their patience. ASKING QUESTIONS and INVITING PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE is how you BECOME the benevolent dictator, wofgdkncxojef. it's done by NOT being a leader AT ALL. you are just the person who asks people the things that they might otherwise be a bit afraid to do. you initiate the conversations so that they can get over their fears. you are respectful and understanding. you give people the opportunity to learn from their mistakes... and make it clear that they have to clear up their own messes. you provide development rules and guidelines that allow people to work together instead of making yourself the most important person in the room. in short: you have NO IDEA how successful free software projects work, wofgdkncxojef.... and right now you have NO IDEA how to LISTEN to people, or indicate that you've understood their point of view. most people at this point would say, "go away, stop bothering us, and fork the project: nobody is stopping you". however it annoys me intensely to hear this being said (to just me and me alone, so i'm not going to do that), what i recommend that you do is: talk to the people that you know, get a *group* of you together, and do your own thing. just the coordination and communication of *establishing* that group will teach you a lot. but please, for god's sake, STOP using timothy pearson's time, money and resources, it's enormously disrespectful, and, given that at least four people have tried to explain to you that what you want to do is not welcome (and why), you're at the point where continuing to fail to listen to people is going to get you banned from the list. do you get the gist? l.

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 5:47 PM, <wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com> wrote: my risk-analysis says: * KDE 3.5 has been stable for ages: there are unlikely to be any significant new bugs * external dependency libraries are likely to have bugs... that will be fixed by the developers *of those 3rd party libraries* therefore, i am not in the slightest bit concerned about "bugs". GREAT! i absolutely specifically *do not want* new standards. or updates. or upgrades. or anyone to piss with, mess with, claim "it's out of date therefore it MUST be changed, altered, developed or otherwise fucked with". l.

On Sunday 27 May 2018 12:44:26 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: What happened in freebsd, happened precisely because they have no leadership. They have an experiment in democracy with votes and bureaucracy. And that turned to shit. A benevolent dictator is more viable. Right now, trinity has no leader at all. No long term vision, no strategy. Only short term. Only the next patch.

On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 10:04 PM, <wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com> wrote: you can if it does not actually need development. l.