27 May
2018
27 May
'18
5:37 p.m.
1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming, to an
official reedit
2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to github.
3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories. With
main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the project.
You have to go, where people are.
This way, you get more users and devs.
Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term.
Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
27 May
27 May
5:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] What a trinity leader should have done.
On Sun May 27 2018 10:37:32 wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com wrote:
1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you
kicking and screaming, to
an official reedit
2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to github.
3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories.
With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
I suggest you contact your university and demand your money back.
--Mike
28 May
28 May
4:18 p.m.
Mike Bird wrote:
I suggest you contact your university and demand your
money back.
I doubt he was at any - if he was, this university must be shut down
immediately, if not perhaps he needs to spent some money and go to one.
Reading the posts I think this is the new incarnation of Stalin and Hitler
in one. I am laughing with tears :D
More over there is absolutely ZERO rational argument why someone would do
this - a cost base or profit analyses or something.
But in past couple of years I see more and more people can not make a
difference between own opinion, a fact and reality ... it might be that
facebook is in the root of all that - at least there is correlation between
level of stupidity and time spent in facebook IMO.
27 May
27 May
6:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] What a trinity leader should have done.
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 6:37 PM, <wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com> wrote:
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
i must apologise: i honestly and genuienly cannot tell if you are
joking or just plain flat-out bat-shit completely fucking delusional
about how software libre projects actually operate.
sorry, i'm just... too shocked to even begin to provide the basis of
an answer, which under normal circumstances i would at least make an
effort, based on 23 years experience of working with (and leading)
software libre projects.
l.
10:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] What a trinity leader should have done.
On 05/27/2018 10:37 AM, wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com wrote:
1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming, to an
official reedit
2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to github.
3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories. With
main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the project.
You have to go, where people are.
This way, you get more users and devs.
Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term.
Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
Hello Mr. KDE.ORG, Yes, I may have not met you personally, but I now
know who you are. It's scary isn't it how Trinity is gaining
popularity. That's not a question. Trinity and Devuan are changing the
Eco-system, get over it. Next we may start our own internet. :P
Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263
28 May
28 May
5:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] What a trinity leader should have done.
Hi all,
I suppose that the members of our community know me enough and that there
will be no objection if I label myself as the deputy leader for the cases
when Tim is busy and can not be here. That is why I will now speak not
only on my own behalf but on behalf of our community.
Dne ne 27. května 2018 wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com napsal(a):
1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you
kicking and screaming,
to an official reedit
Great idea - we could get other "contributors" who just talk, scream or
tell us their wonderful moods... But just a chatter does not make any
move forward. This represents only an unnecessary waste time of all
participants.
We do not just want to talk, we want to discuss in a constructive way. And
therefore the mailing lists will remain here.
2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and
screaming to
github.
Another great idea. As you earlier said yourself - it's not for any
technical reason. On the contrary, others have stated several technical
reasons why not to do so.
I add more: Currently, we have 179 individual GIT repositories. But we
have one common wiki and one common bugzilla. At Github each individual
repository had its own issues and wiki - very impractical for us. At the
same time, issues on Github do not provide features like bugzilla.
Your thought that moving to Github will attract crowds of programmers is
nonsense. Maybe there will be those who will just watch. Maybe there will
be those who make their fork, but they will not make any contribution.
No, I'm not a pessimist - I'm just a realist.
In any case, if we want to provide a Github-style interface besides to
Cgit interface, we would definitely choose a solution that we can run on
our servers. For example, Gitea:
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/
3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in
several categories.
With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
As I said before: Renaming everything is one of the great challenges
facing us. We know that this is useful as the first necessary step to
overcome the barrier to inclusion into the distributions. However, our
main priority is - and I can say that it will always be - to provide
Trinity to users who use it.
Splitting code into the "first category" and "others" is nonsense.
4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in
Debian.
There is no need to waste time on this point until the renaming of
everything will be done. Yes, it would be a nice benefit, but we can
continue to work without it. It is simply a long-term goal.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the
project.
You have to go, where people are.
This way, you get more users and devs.
Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term.
Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
We are a small community. Whoever wants to become a respected member,
others have to see the results of his work. At first I hoped you could
learn teamwork, you could get an overview of the structure of the source
code, you could become a useful member of the team. But the only results
you show is just chatter.
From your four points there is the only one who deserves effort - renaming
everything. When I asked you to take up this task, the answer was still
just the same chatter. You can not make any move forward only by talking.
You will not get any respect from the community only by talking.
It only depends on you if you want to be beneficial to our community, and
instead of talking, you will begin to devote for useful work, or if you
just keep talking and others will ignore you more and more.
I remind you that you have not even revealed the basic good behavior to
introduce yourself!
Cheers
--
Slávek
8:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] What a trinity leader should have done.
On 05/28/2018 07:30 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
I suppose that the members of our community know me enough and that there
will be no objection if I label myself as the deputy leader for the cases
when Tim is busy and can not be here. That is why I will now speak not
only on my own behalf but on behalf of our community.
Dne ne 27. května 2018 wofgdkncxojef(a)gmail.com napsal(a):
You aren't "deputy leader", you are the defacto leader.
You said no, and that's the end of it.
You basically said "advertising the project is worthless"
1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you
kicking and screaming,
to an official reedit
Great idea - we could get other "contributors" who just talk, scream or
tell us their wonderful moods... But just a chatter does not make any
move forward. This represents only an unnecessary waste time of all
participants.
We do not just want to talk, we want to discuss in a constructive way. And
therefore the mailing lists will remain here.
2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking
and screaming to
github.
Another great idea. As you earlier said yourself - it's not for any
technical reason. On the contrary, others have stated several technical
reasons why not to do so.
I add more: Currently, we have 179 individual GIT repositories. But we
have one common wiki and one common bugzilla. At Github each individual
repository had its own issues and wiki - very impractical for us. At the
same time, issues on Github do not provide features like bugzilla.
Your thought that moving to Github will attract crowds of programmers is
nonsense. Maybe there will be those who will just watch. Maybe there will
be those who make their fork, but they will not make any contribution.
No, I'm not a pessimist - I'm just a realist.
In any case, if we want to provide a Github-style interface besides to
Cgit interface, we would definitely choose a solution that we can run on
our servers. For example, Gitea:
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/
3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split
in several categories.
With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
As I said before: Renaming everything is one of the great challenges
facing us. We know that this is useful as the first necessary step to
overcome the barrier to inclusion into the distributions. However, our
main priority is - and I can say that it will always be - to provide
Trinity to users who use it.
Splitting code into the "first category" and "others" is nonsense.
4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is
accepted in Debian.
There is no need to waste time on this point until the renaming of
everything will be done. Yes, it would be a nice benefit, but we can
continue to work without it. It is simply a long-term goal.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the
project.
You have to go, where people are.
This way, you get more users and devs.
Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term.
Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
We are a small community. Whoever wants to become a respected member,
others have to see the results of his work. At first I hoped you could
learn teamwork, you could get an overview of the structure of the source
code, you could become a useful member of the team. But the only results
you show is just chatter.
From your four points there is the only one who deserves effort - renaming
everything. When I asked you to take up this task, the answer was still
just the same chatter. You can not make any move forward only by talking.
You will not get any respect from the community only by talking.
It only depends on you if you want to be beneficial to our community, and
instead of talking, you will begin to devote for useful work, or if you
just keep talking and others will ignore you more and more.
I remind you that you have not even revealed the basic good behavior to
introduce yourself!
Cheers
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