Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
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On 12/22/2014 09:37 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Personally I support the idea of a new KDE-unrelated mascot for TDE. I know E. doesn't, so it is a matter of opinions. I guess we would at least need to see what Tim and Slavek (and possibly other users) think.
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I would prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.
Just my two cents.
Cheers Michele
On Monday 22 of December 2014 03:27:11 Michele Calgaro wrote:
On 12/22/2014 09:37 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Personally I support the idea of a new KDE-unrelated mascot for TDE. I know E. doesn't, so it is a matter of opinions. I guess we would at least need to see what Tim and Slavek (and possibly other users) think.
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I would prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.
Just my two cents.
Cheers Michele
Konqi is my favorite :) But I understand that it would be good to choose another mascot. However, I also believe that it should be something original.
On 12/21/2014 08:27 PM, Michele Calgaro wrote:
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I
would prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.<
What about a corvid? I must admit I seemed to have picked the wrong time when I tried to make a push for branding earlier. Then I got distracted by everything that wasn't TDE.
Dark gray beak and feathers? Common crows have some unfortunate connotations, but they're tool users and have very good memories. They also may communicate among each other better than we give them credit for.
If I were to start over, I could probably do a better job than what I did three years ago that probably no one remembers:
http://www.dimensionality.com/tqtde/LB15_Mascot_Head.png
There should be a vector version but I've only found the PNG.
We also might want to think in terms of standardizing on colors and typefaces. An optimal typeface would have both one or more free versions and an availability from preferably more than one foundry with umpteen variants; optimal colors would have Pantone numbers and ideally cable (textile) and FS-595 (paint) equivalents.
After all, at some point we might want a printed manual, logo or mascot hats, et c. 8)
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:14:26 -0600 James Gholston jamesg@dimensionality.com wrote:
On 12/21/2014 08:27 PM, Michele Calgaro wrote:
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I
would prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.<
What about a corvid? I must admit I seemed to have picked the wrong time when I tried to make a push for branding earlier. Then I got distracted by everything that wasn't TDE.
Dark gray beak and feathers? Common crows have some unfortunate connotations, but they're tool users and have very good memories. They also may communicate among each other better than we give them credit for.
There are less common, visually distinctive corvidae that might have less unfortunate connotations, like the collared crow. I'd be tempted to suggest one of the petrels (great distance fliers), but they're in the albatross family, which has even more unfortunate connotations for English-speakers, thanks to Coleridge.
We also might want to think in terms of standardizing on colors and typefaces. An optimal typeface would have both one or more free versions and an availability from preferably more than one foundry with umpteen variants; optimal colors would have Pantone numbers and ideally cable (textile) and FS-595 (paint) equivalents.
You're not going to find exactly the same font from more than one foundry (they can be very similar and based on the same pre-computer typeface, but there will be differences in the details, like exact angles and how specific pair kernings work). The number of non-decorative open-source fonts with decent Unicode support isn't really all that large--most free fonts are only free-as-in-beer, not libre, and I see no benefit in standardising on a non-libre font.
Having Pantone numbers for the logo and mascot colours would be nice, but unless we're printing something physically on a press that supports spot colours, it isn't really necessary. Besides, the only way to get an *accurate* Pantone colour is with a physical swatchbook--does anyone even have one? (The "Pantone colours" shown on-screen by Adobe software and the like are only approximations even on a calibrated monitor.)
After all, at some point we might want a printed manual, logo or mascot hats, et c. 8)
Unless we're going pretty high-end we're likely to end up printing on a CMYK press anyway.
E. Liddell
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 11:27:11 +0900 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
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On 12/22/2014 09:37 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Personally I support the idea of a new KDE-unrelated mascot for TDE. I know E. doesn't, so it is a matter of opinions. I guess we would at least need to see what Tim and Slavek (and possibly other users) think.
I'm cautiously in favour of a change, actually--Konqui is definitely a branding problem. Plus, I haven't been able to get a clear picture of his trademark status from available documents, so he might be a legal problem (even though none of the KDE people have called us on it yet).
As for what mascot, although the tux_tde_gradient.png looks nice, I would prefer an "original" mascot, something designed by us, not something made up from another distro/DE. Otherwise we would just move from a KDE-related mascot to another project-related mascot.
Agree on this. We'd just be opening ourselves up to the same problems that already exist with Konqui.
E. Liddell
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Tim
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of them have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped Swallow.
E. Liddell
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of them have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped Swallow.
E. Liddell
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500 From: mutantturkey@gmail.com To: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they are already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the hummingbird or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices. In line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for TDE to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of them have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped Swallow.
E. Liddell
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey. In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad connotation. Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird? On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500 From: mutantturkey@gmail.com To: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC,
for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition,
available
at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also,
what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they
are
already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the
hummingbird
or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices.
In
line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for
TDE
to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of
them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its
name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped
Swallow.
E. Liddell
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey. In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad connotation. Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird? On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre
Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though, and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird; my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
Tim
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500 From: mutantturkey@gmail.com To: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC,
for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition,
available
at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also,
what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see
a
couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they
are
already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the
hummingbird
or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices.
In
line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire
for TDE
to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of
them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its
name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped
Swallow.
E. Liddell
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey. In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad connotation. Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird? On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre
Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though, and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird; my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
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How about something in the heron family? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heron_tricol_01.JPG
It's a distinctive, intelligent bird with no negative connotations that I am aware of for English speakers, and is pleasing to my eye (need more feedback here though!).
Tim
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On 12/23/2014 07:14 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
How about something in the heron family? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heron_tricol_01.JPG
It's a distinctive, intelligent bird with no negative connotations that I am aware of for English speakers, and is pleasing to my eye (need more feedback here though!).
Tim
Looks good to me :-) Cheers Michele
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 14:51:48 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 09:03:10 -0500 From: mutantturkey@gmail.com To: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] New mascot for TDE, or no?
hummingbird is also already employed by dillo as a mascot. of course for being 'light and fast'
On 22 December 2014 at 08:39, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 20:39:37 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA224
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE
has bee
going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC,
for
non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition,
available
at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be
interesting as a
TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also,
what is
you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
The basic idea is OK; as you said though I'm not sure of the legal implications as the penguin is universally associated with the Linux kernel.
I don't that would be a particular problem, since there are lots of distributions using penguin variations in their logos.
Taking the bird idea further, looking at this Wikipedia image I see a couple of birds that might be appropriate but I have no idea if they
are
already taken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird#mediaviewer/File:Bird_Diversity_2013.png
Birds that imply lightweight operation and speed, such as the
hummingbird
or various members of the swallow family would be my first choices.
In
line with TDE's professional image (at least that's what I aspire for
TDE
to be...) something that could be used and easily recognized in businesslike vector art (e.g. for logos and such) would also be preferred.
Hummingbirds don't have much stamina, which is not a connotation I'm sure we want, but the swallows have definite possibilities. Some of
them
have very nice plumage, too.
I'd be kind of tempted by the Welcome Swallow just because of its
name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_swallow Not a bad-looking bird either, although it isn't as flashy as, say, the Lesser Striped
Swallow.
E. Liddell
Hi,
Personnally, I'm not sure about these kinds of birds of prey. In french, we call it ''rapace'', which has an extremely bad connotation. Is there a specific reason why it should be a bird? On kde.org, I can find the source blender file for Konqui, but I don't know much at all on how to use Blender...
-Alexandre
Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though, and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird; my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
We could pick another mythical beastie--gryphon? Salamander ("blazingly fast")? Pegasus (flies and carries loads->fast and can support your business)? Heraldic antelope (well, okay, I'm not really serious about that one)? A phoenix might be appropriate ("rising from the ashes of KDE3"), but we'd have to be careful to avoid treading on the toes of the old Firefox logo (from the days before they got into a trademark dispute with Firebird and had to change their name).
E. Liddell
Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though, and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird; my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
But my cat is big, strong and fast, and it is certainly flightless :)
We could pick another mythical beastie--gryphon? Salamander ("blazingly fast")? Pegasus (flies and carries loads->fast and can support your business)? Heraldic antelope (well, okay, I'm not really serious about that one)? A phoenix might be appropriate ("rising from the ashes of KDE3"), but we'd have to be careful to avoid treading on the toes of the old Firefox logo (from the days before they got into a trademark dispute with Firebird and had to change their name).
E. Liddell
E. Liddell,
I love your idea about the salamander, and I'll also consider the Heron! I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if they worth it. Ill have to test.
I bought for my work a Windows 8 (required for industrial software...) Lenovo Ideapad S210 touch, so I'll see if it work well or not to draw with the touch screen. Pretty impressed with this machine for now!
Thank you! -Alexandre
Here are two old wood cuts of a phoenix, a bit intricate for a logo, but they could be redrawn or gimped and reduced in detail as needed, so that they would reproduce better as a logo. They have the "T" shape and I like the "attitude" they display <grin>.
I also own a nice line drawing logo, of a woodpecker, that I had made, for a business I started in the 80s, which I would donate if you are interested. I would have attached it but I have to go find it in my archives first, and don't want to bother unless you are interested in seeing it.
Keith
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Alexandre ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
Thank you for the info; I had no idea as there is no such connotation in English! Dragons don't exactly have a good reputation in English though, and crows even less so unfortunately.
No, there is no hard and fast reason for the mascot having to be a bird; my thoughts were just that we already have a big flightless bird as the Linux logo, and birds are lightweight and fast.
But my cat is big, strong and fast, and it is certainly flightless :)
We could pick another mythical beastie--gryphon? Salamander ("blazingly fast")? Pegasus (flies and carries loads->fast and can support your business)? Heraldic antelope (well, okay, I'm not really serious about that one)? A phoenix might be appropriate ("rising from the ashes of KDE3"), but we'd have to be careful to avoid treading on the toes of the old Firefox logo (from the days before they got into a trademark dispute with Firebird and had to change their name).
E. Liddell
E. Liddell,
I love your idea about the salamander, and I'll also consider the Heron! I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if they worth it. Ill have to test.
I bought for my work a Windows 8 (required for industrial software...) Lenovo Ideapad S210 touch, so I'll see if it work well or not to draw with the touch screen. Pretty impressed with this machine for now!
Thank you! -Alexandre
On 12/27/2014 05:57 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if
they worth it. Ill have to test.<
Inkscape has tools for doing this. I've used them a few times.
I'm pretty sure someone else is already using a salamander. I'm guessing that introduction of anything like this in TDE itself is 14.0.1 at the earliest.
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:34:07 -0600 James Gholston jamesg@dimensionality.com wrote:
On 12/27/2014 05:57 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if
they worth it. Ill have to test.<
Inkscape has tools for doing this. I've used them a few times.
I have, too. For best results, you often have to clean the file by hand afterwards.
I'm pretty sure someone else is already using a salamander.
We're always going to have that risk--we just need a sufficiently different salamander (or heron or whatever). There's probably no one using a cartoony heron or a salamander with T-shaped markings or . . . well, you get the idea.
I'm guessing that introduction of anything like this in TDE itself is 14.0.1 at the earliest.
I can't see us having a special release just for the mascot, and even once we settle on something, tracking down every piece of artwork with Konqui in it may take a while, so I'm guessing that it won't be until after 14.0.1.
E. Liddell
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On 12/28/2014 10:07 PM, E. Liddell wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2014 19:34:07 -0600 James Gholston jamesg@dimensionality.com wrote:
On 12/27/2014 05:57 PM, Alexandre wrote:
I saw that some apps can convert pictures to SVG, but I don't know if
they worth it. Ill have to test.<
Inkscape has tools for doing this. I've used them a few times.
I have, too. For best results, you often have to clean the file by hand afterwards.
I'm pretty sure someone else is already using a salamander.
We're always going to have that risk--we just need a sufficiently different salamander (or heron or whatever). There's probably no one using a cartoony heron or a salamander with T-shaped markings or . . . well, you get the idea.
I'm guessing that introduction of anything like this in TDE itself is 14.0.1 at the earliest.
I can't see us having a special release just for the mascot, and even once we settle on something, tracking down every piece of artwork with Konqui in it may take a while, so I'm guessing that it won't be until after 14.0.1.
E. Liddell
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What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE. Cheers Michele
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, and I'm not too sure about it. It is a little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, and I'm not too sure about it. It is a little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander.... Cheers Michele
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander, and I'm not too sure about it. It is a little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 ) Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real animal all that much.
E. Liddell
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE.
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander,
and I'm not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 ) Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real animal all that much.
E. Liddell
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
Tim
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:50:11 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE.
Cheers Michele -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1
I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander,
and I'm not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 ) Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real animal all that much.
E. Liddell
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
There's nothing wrong with the heron either; I think we're just still at the "flinging ideas around" stage.
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
The more discussion we have about this, the more I think there there's *something* potentially objectionable about *any* animal we could pick.
E. Liddell
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:50:11 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:35:45 +0900 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE.
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I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the
salamander,
and I'm not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 ) Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real animal all that much.
E. Liddell
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
There's nothing wrong with the heron either; I think we're just still at the "flinging ideas around" stage.
Yep. Just wanted some feedback; thanks!
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
The more discussion we have about this, the more I think there there's *something* potentially objectionable about *any* animal we could pick.
Yes, this does seem to be the case. Let's stay away from known problematic categories though like (at least for English speaking regions) most insects, reptiles, arachnoids, and dinosaurs (the latter due to its negative connotations in the tech world and the inevitable resultant comments on TDE being an obsolete dinosaur). Dragons also are out due to linkage with KDE, but most other animals can be considered.
The phoenix is interesting as I like the imagery, but as mentioned before I'm not sure we can do that without stepping on other toes. Comments on that issue are welcome; I wasn't involved with FOSS when the pheonix was Firefox's logo so I wouldn't know. :-)
Tim
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:33:54 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
The phoenix is interesting as I like the imagery, but as mentioned before I'm not sure we can do that without stepping on other toes. Comments on that issue are welcome; I wasn't involved with FOSS when the pheonix was Firefox's logo so I wouldn't know. :-)
The people we'd have to watch out for are not the Mozilla Foundation, but the Firebird Foundation (firebirdsql.org), the people who made Mozilla change the name of their browser. However, I think it was mostly a dispute about the *name*--Firefox just changed their logos and such to match the new name afterwards.
The Firebird logo is extremely stylized and more dragon-like than bird-like (in my opinion, anyway), and their page on branding policy ( http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/firebird-brand-faq/ ) doesn't suggest that they're trying to "own" all images of phoenixes in the open-source world, just their name and exact logo. So long as there's no close resemblance between the logo and whatever we come up with, I doubt it would be much of a problem.
E. Liddell
The people we'd have to watch out for are not the Mozilla Foundation, but the Firebird Foundation (firebirdsql.org), the people who made Mozilla change the name of their browser. However, I think it was mostly a dispute about the *name*--Firefox just changed their logos and such to match the new name afterwards.
The Firebird logo is extremely stylized and more dragon-like than bird-like (in my opinion, anyway), and their page on branding policy ( http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/firebird-brand-faq/ ) doesn't suggest that they're trying to "own" all images of phoenixes in the open-source world, just their name and exact logo. So long as there's no close resemblance between the logo and whatever we come up with, I doubt it would be much of a problem.
E. Liddell
Hi,
E. Liddell, you raised a good point by saying that its still at the stage of ideas. I am not sure if I will concretize something on it yet. Do some persons here are up to the task to collaborate on this?
Happy new year! -Alexandre
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 14:15 (-0500), E. Liddell wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 12:50:11 -0600 "Timothy Pearson" kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
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On 12/30/2014 10:12 AM, Alexandre wrote:
What about a bee or an ant? They are both efficient and productive
animals, which was go perfectly with the TDE.
Cheers Michele -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1
I'll look at these possibilities! I did some test with the salamander,
and I'm not too sure about it. It is a
little bit disguisting...
-Alexandre
I am also a bit perplex by the salamander....
Legendarily, the salamander is associated with elemental fire. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_%28legendary_creature%29 ) Depictions of it in that capacity often don't resemble the real animal all that much.
E. Liddell
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
There's nothing wrong with the heron either; I think we're just still at the "flinging ideas around" stage.
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
If you don't mind a comment from someone who is an almost completely passive observer on this project (Yo, Darrell, got some new Slackware build scripts?)...
Having been stung way more than my fair share of times, I can't say I find a bee logo as appealing. And most people consider ants to be pests.
On the other hand, some moths and butterflies are beautiful, and I except that people have warmer and fuzzier feelings about them than about most insects. Not that I'm suggesting the idea, just mentioning it as a counter-point to painting all insects with the same brush.
The more discussion we have about this, the more I think there there's *something* potentially objectionable about *any* animal we could pick.
I expect you are right (although googling "cutest animal" gives a page of pictures of animals, some of which most people probably wouldn't find objectionable, but possibly none of them are relevant to TDE, if that matters).
Cheers.
Jim
As long as you're in the brainstorming phase....
How about one of the dinosaurs? Or, would the connotation be off-putting? :-)
Jonesy
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 18:50:11 Timothy Pearson wrote:
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
I'm not sure the salamander is a good choice; OpenSUSE got away with an iguana but most of the other reptiles are bound to induce revulsion in a non-negligable portion of the populous. I'm not sure about a bee for the same reasons; it seems most people can identify with mammals and birds but not so much with insects, arachnids, and reptiles.
Tim
I'm not keen on a Heron either ! I tend to agree that insects would not make for a good mascot. Though I don't know what to suggest that would.
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 9:50:11 am you wrote:
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
Of all that I have seen presented here I like that imge of the Heron best. Up here in Alaska we are on the Sandhill Crane migratory path,now that is an awesome bird :-)
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=creamersfield.main
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On 12/31/2014 11:31 AM, Greg Madden wrote:
On Tuesday 30 December 2014 9:50:11 am you wrote:
No one liked the heron idea? (*honest* beedback would be appreciated)
Of all that I have seen presented here I like that imge of the Heron best. Up here in Alaska we are on the Sandhill Crane migratory path,now that is an awesome bird :-)
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=creamersfield.main
Heron looks good to me too. Alternatively, someone mentioned butterflies. Here I found same images that looks quite interesting. http://dreamatico.com/butterfly.html
Cheers Michele
Am Montag, 22. Dezember 2014 schrieb Alexandre:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Cute, I like it :-)
Nik
Hi Alexandre,
On Monday 22 December 2014 00:37:24 Alexandre wrote:
Hi,
Some months ago, a discussion about finding a new mascot for TDE has bee going on. Recently, I bought an HP 620lx palmtop (er, Handheld PC, for non-Psion users) and I installed Jornada Linux Mobility Edition, available at jlime.com
I thought that a modified version of their logo could be interesting as a TDE mascot, but I am not sure about the legal aspect of it. Also, what is you opinion on it? I made a quick mockup of what it could be.
Have a great Christmas time!
-Alexandre
Looks good, very laid back. I like it !
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