1. Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming, to an official reedit
2. Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to github.
3. Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories. With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
4. Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the project. You have to go, where people are. This way, you get more users and devs. Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term. Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
On Sun May 27 2018 10:37:32 wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com wrote:
- Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming, to
an official reedit
Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to github.
Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories.
With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
- Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
I suggest you contact your university and demand your money back.
--Mike
Mike Bird wrote:
I suggest you contact your university and demand your money back.
I doubt he was at any - if he was, this university must be shut down immediately, if not perhaps he needs to spent some money and go to one.
Reading the posts I think this is the new incarnation of Stalin and Hitler in one. I am laughing with tears :D
More over there is absolutely ZERO rational argument why someone would do this - a cost base or profit analyses or something.
But in past couple of years I see more and more people can not make a difference between own opinion, a fact and reality ... it might be that facebook is in the root of all that - at least there is correlation between level of stupidity and time spent in facebook IMO.
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 6:37 PM, wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com wrote:
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
i must apologise: i honestly and genuienly cannot tell if you are joking or just plain flat-out bat-shit completely fucking delusional about how software libre projects actually operate.
sorry, i'm just... too shocked to even begin to provide the basis of an answer, which under normal circumstances i would at least make an effort, based on 23 years experience of working with (and leading) software libre projects.
l.
On 05/27/2018 10:37 AM, wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com wrote:
- Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming, to an
official reedit
Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to github.
Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories. With
main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
- Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the project. You have to go, where people are. This way, you get more users and devs. Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term. Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
Hello Mr. KDE.ORG, Yes, I may have not met you personally, but I now know who you are. It's scary isn't it how Trinity is gaining popularity. That's not a question. Trinity and Devuan are changing the Eco-system, get over it. Next we may start our own internet. :P
Cheers,
Hi all,
I suppose that the members of our community know me enough and that there will be no objection if I label myself as the deputy leader for the cases when Tim is busy and can not be here. That is why I will now speak not only on my own behalf but on behalf of our community.
Dne ne 27. května 2018 wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com napsal(a):
- Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming,
to an official reedit
Great idea - we could get other "contributors" who just talk, scream or tell us their wonderful moods... But just a chatter does not make any move forward. This represents only an unnecessary waste time of all participants.
We do not just want to talk, we want to discuss in a constructive way. And therefore the mailing lists will remain here.
- Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to
github.
Another great idea. As you earlier said yourself - it's not for any technical reason. On the contrary, others have stated several technical reasons why not to do so.
I add more: Currently, we have 179 individual GIT repositories. But we have one common wiki and one common bugzilla. At Github each individual repository had its own issues and wiki - very impractical for us. At the same time, issues on Github do not provide features like bugzilla.
Your thought that moving to Github will attract crowds of programmers is nonsense. Maybe there will be those who will just watch. Maybe there will be those who make their fork, but they will not make any contribution. No, I'm not a pessimist - I'm just a realist.
In any case, if we want to provide a Github-style interface besides to Cgit interface, we would definitely choose a solution that we can run on our servers. For example, Gitea:
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/
- Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories.
With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
As I said before: Renaming everything is one of the great challenges facing us. We know that this is useful as the first necessary step to overcome the barrier to inclusion into the distributions. However, our main priority is - and I can say that it will always be - to provide Trinity to users who use it.
Splitting code into the "first category" and "others" is nonsense.
- Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
There is no need to waste time on this point until the renaming of everything will be done. Yes, it would be a nice benefit, but we can continue to work without it. It is simply a long-term goal.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the project. You have to go, where people are. This way, you get more users and devs. Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term. Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
We are a small community. Whoever wants to become a respected member, others have to see the results of his work. At first I hoped you could learn teamwork, you could get an overview of the structure of the source code, you could become a useful member of the team. But the only results you show is just chatter.
From your four points there is the only one who deserves effort - renaming everything. When I asked you to take up this task, the answer was still just the same chatter. You can not make any move forward only by talking. You will not get any respect from the community only by talking.
It only depends on you if you want to be beneficial to our community, and instead of talking, you will begin to devote for useful work, or if you just keep talking and others will ignore you more and more.
I remind you that you have not even revealed the basic good behavior to introduce yourself!
Cheers
On 05/28/2018 07:30 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
I suppose that the members of our community know me enough and that there will be no objection if I label myself as the deputy leader for the cases when Tim is busy and can not be here. That is why I will now speak not only on my own behalf but on behalf of our community.
Dne ne 27. května 2018 wofgdkncxojef@gmail.com napsal(a):
- Shut down the user mailing list, and drag you kicking and screaming,
to an official reedit
Great idea - we could get other "contributors" who just talk, scream or tell us their wonderful moods... But just a chatter does not make any move forward. This represents only an unnecessary waste time of all participants.
We do not just want to talk, we want to discuss in a constructive way. And therefore the mailing lists will remain here.
- Shut down the git repo, and drag you kicking and screaming to
github.
Another great idea. As you earlier said yourself - it's not for any technical reason. On the contrary, others have stated several technical reasons why not to do so.
I add more: Currently, we have 179 individual GIT repositories. But we have one common wiki and one common bugzilla. At Github each individual repository had its own issues and wiki - very impractical for us. At the same time, issues on Github do not provide features like bugzilla.
Your thought that moving to Github will attract crowds of programmers is nonsense. Maybe there will be those who will just watch. Maybe there will be those who make their fork, but they will not make any contribution. No, I'm not a pessimist - I'm just a realist.
In any case, if we want to provide a Github-style interface besides to Cgit interface, we would definitely choose a solution that we can run on our servers. For example, Gitea:
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/
- Impose renaming as top priority, and a split in several categories.
With main, of guaranteed minimum quality.
As I said before: Renaming everything is one of the great challenges facing us. We know that this is useful as the first necessary step to overcome the barrier to inclusion into the distributions. However, our main priority is - and I can say that it will always be - to provide Trinity to users who use it.
Splitting code into the "first category" and "others" is nonsense.
- Bend over backwards, so that trinity is accepted in Debian.
There is no need to waste time on this point until the renaming of everything will be done. Yes, it would be a nice benefit, but we can continue to work without it. It is simply a long-term goal.
All this, is just to increase exposire of the project. You have to go, where people are. This way, you get more users and devs. Instead, every one here, only see's the very short term. Literally, just the next patch.
This can not be done, without some one in charge.....
We are a small community. Whoever wants to become a respected member, others have to see the results of his work. At first I hoped you could learn teamwork, you could get an overview of the structure of the source code, you could become a useful member of the team. But the only results you show is just chatter.
From your four points there is the only one who deserves effort - renaming everything. When I asked you to take up this task, the answer was still just the same chatter. You can not make any move forward only by talking. You will not get any respect from the community only by talking.
It only depends on you if you want to be beneficial to our community, and instead of talking, you will begin to devote for useful work, or if you just keep talking and others will ignore you more and more.
I remind you that you have not even revealed the basic good behavior to introduce yourself!
Cheers
You aren't "deputy leader", you are the defacto leader. You said no, and that's the end of it. You basically said "advertising the project is worthless"
-
deloptes -
Jimmy Johnson -
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton -
Mike Bird -
Slávek Banko -
wofgdkncxojef -
wofgdkncxojef＠gmail.com