Hi Kate, Thanks for the file. Is there a README file that goes along with it? I am not sure what I am supposed to do with its contents to view your menu idea. Thnaks! Tim

On Jan 17, 2011, at 21:36, Kristopher Gamrat &lt;pikidalto(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Tim, Those should be dropped into the directory where Trinity keeps it's Kmenu config files for the logged in user, preferably backing up and removing the original menu *.desktop files beforehand to keep from a conflict. -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:32 AM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net&gt; wrote: Top posting! grrr... Kate, these were made with an Ark Linux installation. Use the Trinity Live CD so that we can keep compat. (pst. For rpm installations i'm stealing from suse kde3. Hehe.) -- later, Robert Xu

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Kristopher Gamrat &lt;pikidalto(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: And I didn't know there was a Trinity Live? Unless you're referring to a remaster of, e.g. Ubuntu or Debian? (please don't say Ubuntu! i could NEVER get it working right on any machine) -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager

On Jan 17, 2011, at 21:54, Kristopher Gamrat &lt;pikidalto(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Robert Xu &lt;robxu9(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: posts by default, but we do need to have some kind of rule about that to keep things organized. Then always ignore the default. Hell, it's easy to scroll down. what's wrong with the menus being done on Ark? I doubt there would be On Ubuntu/Debian Trinity PPA we use a package to remedy this, if I am correct. Use that package and everything should be modified. any difference with the menu config files since they use the same exact format with the same exact file extension. The only possible differences would be the program names and the commands to run them. -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager -- later, Robert Xu

I would like to utilize bottom-posted replies on all of the Trinity mailing lists. Also, I apologize for the couple of times that I mindlessly top posted, as that was incorrect. Enforcement will be limited to a friendly reminder, so you don't have to worry too much about mistakes. ;-) Thanks! Tim

Sorry there was a read me but I failed to attach it. Its just a mock to show what a kmenu could be like. Categories etc. Focused categories make it easier for people to search for an app. For example, avidemux would be find in Multimedia/video/editing. A focused menu keeps kmenu from eating the entire screen as well. On 1/18/11, Kristopher Gamrat &lt;pikidalto(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

Doesn't gmail bottom post automatically? On 1/19/11, Katheryne Draven &lt;borgqueen4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net&gt; wrote: No, Gmail has ALWAYS top posted be default. As I'm assuming you noticed, we were discussing the whole top-posting versus bottom-posting issue, but your messages are still top-posted. Please start bottom-posting. We keep repeating that because it makes things very disorganized when we have people both top posting and bottom posting. So please start bottom posting. I haven been unable to get Vector working on my machine. I tried the Kde-classic version of their 6.0 release, and I had issues with sound, wireless, and the intel video driver. I've been unable to run Yoper as well with frequent kernel panics and a mix of RPM4 and RPM5 in their repos. Ark Linux 2008.1 is too outdated for my laptop, and dockyard-devel has a huge dependency mess in the repos (I'm going to keep pestering bero to fix stuff so I can build Trinity). Of the major distros, the one that works the best is Debian, and I am stuck using the beta for Squeeze for it's support of more recent hardware. It's UI has been rather unstable, though, and there are times that I have to drop down to runlevel 3 and bump back up to 5 to restart all the GUI stuff. I haven't had any kind of luck with any other distros as of yet. Good news is, I finally have a semi-working install of Ark dokcyard-devel on my laptop, and I am downloading the Trinity 3.5.12 tarballs and Ark's SRPMs for KDE 3.5 from 2008.1 to adapt the specs to Trinity. I'll also make sure to go after bero to get stuff fixed so we can actually start testing. I'll even try to apply Kate's menu system to the packages in the Trinity tarballs. -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Robert Xu &lt;robxu9(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Kmail much better ;-) better integration with spamassassin and ClamAV, better integration with KDE, and can optionally integrate with Kontact, which is much better than Outlook and (IMO) Evolution any day ;-) If you're looking to open the .desktop files in OpenOffice or something, they should open as text documents (File -> Open -> Navigate to the file you want -> Choose to open as a text document, the defaults work well for most files, haven't tried with these yet however). If you're talking about having all the .desktop entries in a single file, then having an odt would be great. As for installing the .desktop files, a simple text file saying "To install these, drop them in this directory; keep in mind that the entries may not actually open when you click them in the menu if the programs they list are not installed." -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 22:49, Katheryne Draven &lt;borgqueen4(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Yay, it bottom posted! :P I'll be waiting on the odt :) @Piki: I can just open them with gedit. lol. -- later, Robert Xu

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Kristopher Gamrat &lt;pikidalto(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote: Sorry for that random send... I am used to using a mouse and arrow to navigate my gmail, and I seem to have Xorg screwed up somehow where it won't accept any mouse clicks, and in a panic to get back to my reply box, I hit enter on the send button... @Robert: gedit that's the GNOME text editor right? I can't say I've used it (even in GNOME I still used Kwrite), but why not Kedit, Kwrite, or Kate (the program, not the Borg with the menu mockup)? Kate can load multiple files into tabs and can have different profiles with different sets of files open, would really make things quick to switch between the different .desktop files. Back on subject, though... @Kate: Just to confirm, those were created on Ark 2008.1 using the same program names and file names (on the exec line) as Ark? That should make it easier to adjust for the next release, I'm actually planning to start building Trinity tomorrow after work (provided I have enough energy, it's been crowded at Wally World lately). Once I get done with that, I can get to work on testing your menu entries with some of our packages, even including them in their corresponding packages. You'll also be able to get a visual on what your menu mockup will look like and if it works if you haven't already (I'm assuming you have already). -- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity KDE Packager