I just created bug report 750 (http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/post_bug.cgi):
Akregator default feeds all point to KDE sites
This is a somewhat serious public relations bug.
Does the Trinity web site currently offer any kind of RSS feed? Even if the feeds are stale old news, anything would be better than the default feeds to all KDE sites. :)
Darrell
I just created bug report 750 (http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/post_bug.cgi):
Akregator default feeds all point to KDE sites
This is a somewhat serious public relations bug.
Does the Trinity web site currently offer any kind of RSS feed? Even if the feeds are stale old news, anything would be better than the default feeds to all KDE sites. :)
Anybody?
With my nominal, almost non existent C++ skills (I am teaching myself and am learning at least to read C++ :) ), I should be able to remove the default RSS sites. Yet I need something to replace those sites. If Trinity does not have any RSS feeds what sites should we offer?
Having one or two default sites informs new users that Akregator is functioning.
Please offer some suggestions. :)
Darrell
On Monday 19 December 2011 21:10:09 Darrell Anderson wrote:
Having one or two default sites informs new users that Akregator is functioning.
correct.
Please offer some suggestions. :)
as long as there is no trinity specific feed source, i would recommend planetkde.org feed anyways. at least there are some trinity entries from time to time :)
werner
On 19 December 2011 15:22, Werner Joss werner@hoernerfranzracing.de wrote:
On Monday 19 December 2011 21:10:09 Darrell Anderson wrote:
Having one or two default sites informs new users that Akregator is functioning.
correct.
Please offer some suggestions. :)
as long as there is no trinity specific feed source, i would recommend planetkde.org feed anyways. at least there are some trinity entries from time to time :)
werner
Why not get a collection of Linux RSS feeds that are good.
Here are few sites that I would recommend
OSNews H-Online/open lwn.net
Lets compile a list of our favorites! Calvin Morrison
as long as there is no trinity specific feed source, i would recommend
planetkde.org feed anyways.
at least there are some trinity entries from time to time :)
Why not get a collection of Linux RSS feeds that are good.
Here are few sites that I would recommend
OSNews H-Online/open lwn.net
Thanks for the suggestions. But I do need an approved list. This is a group decision and not something I can presume on my own. :) We need to put any proposed list to a simple vote.
Even with my nominal C++ skills, the code snippets are straightforward enough that I should be able to provide a patch. Just copy and past URLs. :)
We should keep the default list limited to three feeds. We are providing a simple functional test with the default feeds and not a marketing or proselytizing campaign.
Second, we need to limit the very first fetch. New users do not need or want a few hundred news items. :) They only need to see that Akregator is functioning. We should choose feeds that do not accumulate a dozen articles every day.
If Trinity does not offer an RSS feed, then we should select sites that are free/libre software and generic about desktops.
BTW, Trinity should offer an RSS feed. :) A news item once a month is sufficient for our team size.
Darrell
2011/12/19 Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com:
as long as there is no trinity specific feed source, i would recommend
planetkde.org feed anyways.
at least there are some trinity entries from time to time :)
Why not get a collection of Linux RSS feeds that are good.
Here are few sites that I would recommend
OSNews H-Online/open lwn.net
Thanks for the suggestions. But I do need an approved list. This is a group decision and not something I can presume on my own. :) We need to put any proposed list to a simple vote.
Even with my nominal C++ skills, the code snippets are straightforward enough that I should be able to provide a patch. Just copy and past URLs. :)
We should keep the default list limited to three feeds. We are providing a simple functional test with the default feeds and not a marketing or proselytizing campaign.
Second, we need to limit the very first fetch. New users do not need or want a few hundred news items. :) They only need to see that Akregator is functioning. We should choose feeds that do not accumulate a dozen articles every day.
If Trinity does not offer an RSS feed, then we should select sites that are free/libre software and generic about desktops.
BTW, Trinity should offer an RSS feed. :) A news item once a month is sufficient for our team size.
In the (let's hope not far) future, yes. And I'd like to see something like planetkde for trinity.
On Monday 19 December 2011 21:51:12 L0ner sh4dou wrote:
In the (let's hope not far) future, yes. And I'd like to see something like planetkde for trinity.
that would be nice, yes :) however, depends on: - are there some people in the trinity community who run an rss-enabled blog for pickup by a 'planet-like' feed aggregator (e.g. http://offog.org/code/rawdog.html) ? - if so, who could implement this on trinity web site ? (Calvin ?)
werner
2011/12/19 Werner Joss werner@hoernerfranzracing.de:
On Monday 19 December 2011 21:51:12 L0ner sh4dou wrote:
In the (let's hope not far) future, yes. And I'd like to see something like planetkde for trinity.
that would be nice, yes :) however, depends on:
- are there some people in the trinity community who run an rss-enabled blog
for pickup by a 'planet-like' feed aggregator (e.g. http://offog.org/code/rawdog.html)
Me? And I could write about what I'm working on.
- if so, who could implement this on trinity web site ? (Calvin ?)
Why not? Or yet better, implement some really small cms for our site. Something that will allow us to create/change it's contents without actually messing with actual site code.
In the (let's hope not far) future, yes. And I'd
like to see something
like planetkde for trinity.
that would be nice, yes :) however, depends on:
are there some people in the trinitycommunity who run an rss-enabled blog
for pickup by a 'planet-like' feed aggregator (e.g. http://offog.org/code/rawdog.html)
Me? And I could write about what I'm working on.
if so, who could implement this on trinityweb site ? (Calvin ?) Why not? Or yet better, implement some really small cms for our site. Something that will allow us to create/change it's contents without actually messing with actual site code.
I don't know the technical requirements for offering an RSS feed. As a user, I can offer that the lack of news from Trinity is unsettling. :(
We have a News section on the web site and eventually we should use that same text for an RSS feed.
Even if the news is not yet available through RSS, outsiders should see some sort of life at the News section of the web site. A two sentence announcement is sufficient to show movement.
We should release SOMETHING no less than a monthly basis. Users should know we are doing something other than cleaning the lint from our belly buttons. :)
Yes, the big moment now is everybody waiting for GIT to become publicly available and the completion of the renaming project. Thereafter a weekly news bite announcement or two through RSS that particular noticeable bugs have been resolved is a great way to show progress and movement.
Darrell
On 19 December 2011 16:30, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
In the (let's hope not far) future, yes. And I'd
like to see something
like planetkde for trinity.
that would be nice, yes :) however, depends on:
are there some people in the trinitycommunity who run an rss-enabled blog
for pickup by a 'planet-like' feed aggregator (e.g. http://offog.org/code/rawdog.html)
Me? And I could write about what I'm working on.
if so, who could implement this on trinityweb site ? (Calvin ?) Why not? Or yet better, implement some really small cms for our site. Something that will allow us to create/change it's contents without actually messing with actual site code.
I don't know the technical requirements for offering an RSS feed. As a user, I can offer that the lack of news from Trinity is unsettling. :(
We have a News section on the web site and eventually we should use that same text for an RSS feed.
Even if the news is not yet available through RSS, outsiders should see some sort of life at the News section of the web site. A two sentence announcement is sufficient to show movement.
We should release SOMETHING no less than a monthly basis. Users should know we are doing something other than cleaning the lint from our belly buttons. :)
In all seriousness I advise everyone to clean their bellybuttons quite often, a moist towelette or Q-tip will work wonders.
Yes, the big moment now is everybody waiting for GIT to become publicly available and the completion of the renaming project. Thereafter a weekly news bite announcement or two through RSS that particular noticeable bugs have been resolved is a great way to show progress and movement.
I think that this is a good idea - but requires time. We all know Tim is already limited for time and putting more pressure on him will likely make him explode :P
Someone would need to update it (probably biweekly).
Darrell
Ok, so there were a huge slur of messages.
For one, Let me go back to my original list.
lwn - the longest standing linux community news, an awesome website. h-online - provides relatively unbiased news about a whole slew of open source stuff (they even ran our release after I email them) OSNews - this could be bumped off, its a bit general.
Why only 3? I think offering a whole lot makes sense.
Next, planet.trinitydesktop.org would be great! I would actually start blogging again :) It shows involvement of developers and also helps personalize those who choose to use it.
As for the website, if we are considering dynamic content, RSS feeds, planet.trinitydesktop.org, commenting system - maybe it is time we convert to a CMS.
Calvin Morrison
As for the website, if we are considering dynamic content, RSS feeds, planet.trinitydesktop.org, commenting system - maybe it is time we convert to a CMS.
Try looking at http://www.cotonti.com/ I'm trying it at my localhost and it looks nice.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, L0ner sh4dou sh4dou@gmail.com wrote:
As for the website, if we are considering dynamic content, RSS feeds, planet.trinitydesktop.org, commenting system - maybe it is time we convert to a CMS.
Try looking at http://www.cotonti.com/ I'm trying it at my localhost and it looks nice.
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If you are considering a CMS I suggest you look at Drupal.
Almost everything you want is already part of the package and it is easy to manage and fairly easy to modify and enhance.
Keith
On 19 December 2011 17:53, Keith Daniels keithwdaniels@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, L0ner sh4dou sh4dou@gmail.com wrote:
As for the website, if we are considering dynamic content, RSS feeds, planet.trinitydesktop.org, commenting system - maybe it is time we
convert
to a CMS.
Try looking at http://www.cotonti.com/ I'm trying it at my localhost and it looks nice.
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Keith
Drupal is a bit bloat from what i've heard.
What about Wordpress? seems bloaty too. My favorite of course is werc :-) I think something minimal, extensible, elegant would be good. Of course it is hard to fill all worlds happily :P
Calvin Morrison
On 19 December 2011 18:01, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 December 2011 17:53, Keith Daniels keithwdaniels@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, L0ner sh4dou sh4dou@gmail.com wrote:
As for the website, if we are considering dynamic content, RSS feeds, planet.trinitydesktop.org, commenting system - maybe it is time we
convert
to a CMS.
Try looking at http://www.cotonti.com/ I'm trying it at my localhost and it looks nice.
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Almost everything you want is already part of the package and it is easy to manage and fairly easy to modify and enhance.
Keith
Drupal is a bit bloat from what i've heard.
What about Wordpress? seems bloaty too. My favorite of course is werc :-) I think something minimal, extensible, elegant would be good. Of course it is hard to fill all worlds happily :P
Calvin Morrison
sorry forgot the link,
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:30:51 -0800 (PST) Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't know the technical requirements for offering an RSS feed. As a user, I can offer that the lack of news from Trinity is unsettling. :(
An RSS feed is just an XML document with a fixed location on the Web. Hand-editing something once a month would be far from impossible, if we don't have time for anything better.
We have a News section on the web site and eventually we should use that same text for an RSS feed.
Even if the news is not yet available through RSS, outsiders should see some sort of life at the News section of the web site. A two sentence announcement is sufficient to show movement.
The question then becomes *what* to release--maybe condense a line or two out of each monthly meeting?
On 19 December 2011 17:04, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:30:51 -0800 (PST) Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:
I don't know the technical requirements for offering an RSS feed. As a
user, I can offer that the lack of news from Trinity is unsettling. :(
An RSS feed is just an XML document with a fixed location on the Web. Hand-editing something once a month would be far from impossible, if we don't have time for anything better.
We have a News section on the web site and eventually we should use that
same text for an RSS feed.
Even if the news is not yet available through RSS, outsiders should see
some sort of life at the News
section of the web site. A two sentence announcement is sufficient to
show movement.
The question then becomes *what* to release--maybe condense a line or two out of each monthly meeting?
Also we can use bugzilla to generate graphical reports over a certain time period and also report fixed bugs as well as any new development.
Also we can use bugzilla to generate graphical reports over a certain time period and also report fixed bugs as well as any new development.
+1!
Good idea!
And just to jump in here, the existing website is probably a good start, but it needs a PR team portal (where selected people involved in Public Relations can post/edit the news articles) and an RSS feed based on the news articles.
The portal shouldn't be too hard; I can probably handle that myself next month.
I keep hearing about the desire to provide a drive-through anonymous spamming...oops, I mean "comments" section. :-) While I agree with the idea in principle, I firmly believe that the mailing lists are the best place for discussion if for no other reason than the Email addresses in use by posters are guaranteed to be valid, thereby reducing/eliminating spam. Also, we would need at least two people who would be willing to check the comments section daily to remove spam and essentially moderate any discussion/postings present there.
If there is sufficient interest on the maintenance end then technically it is not hard to create such a commenting system. I simply don't want to see another failed forum attempt due to lack of support.
Tim
And just to jump in here, the existing website is probably a good start, but it needs a PR team portal (where selected people involved in Public Relations can post/edit the news articles) and an RSS feed based on the news articles.
The portal shouldn't be too hard; I can probably handle that myself next month.
For QA and public image purposes, should we have one additional "PR person" approve of any new News items that are posted to the web site and RSS feeds? That is, two people from the PR team are required to "sign off" new posts? The News/RSS announcements reflect an image. My thinking is to prevent any one person running amok for whatever reason, even good intentioned reasons. :) Certainly we need nominal editorial reviews --- bad grammar and spelling do not invoke feelings of confidence and intelligence. :)
I keep hearing about the desire to provide a drive-through anonymous spamming...oops, I mean "comments" section. :-) While I agree with the idea in principle, I firmly believe that the mailing lists are the best place for discussion if for no other reason than the Email addresses in use by posters are guaranteed to be valid, thereby reducing/eliminating spam. Also, we would need at least two people who would be willing to check the comments section daily to remove spam and essentially moderate any discussion/postings present there.
If there is sufficient interest on the maintenance end then technically it is not hard to create such a commenting system. I simply don't want to see another failed forum attempt due to lack of support.
I think I'm the instigator of that idea. :) I don't want the process to become burdensome. I realize people need to review anonymous postings, possibly several times a day. Several people need to be on the team to share the load and I don't know that we have that capacity. I still like the idea but I vote to delay the idea until after R14 and then reopen for discussion.
I presume TDE still supports crash reports? What was that called --- Dr. Konki (Dr. Trinity :) )? To where do those reports get forwarded? Is a login account required to submit those crash reports?
Currently the option in the Help menus to create a bug report connects to the bugzilla, but users are required to create an account. Which raises the original point that prompted me to consider anonymous reports: many people won't join a bugzilla. That's just human nature that most people won't get involved. :(
Perhaps the easy answer is if people won't join (the bugzilla or the lists) then they get no support. :) Sounds crass in a small way, but we all have limits on our time and energy.
Darrell
I keep hearing about the desire to provide a drive-through anonymous spamming...oops, I mean "comments" section. :-) While I agree with the idea in principle, I firmly believe that the mailing lists are the best place for discussion if for no other reason than the Email addresses in use by posters are guaranteed to be valid, thereby reducing/eliminating spam. Also, we would need at least two people who would be willing to check the comments section daily to remove spam and essentially moderate any discussion/postings present there.
If there is sufficient interest on the maintenance end then technically it is not hard to create such a commenting system. I simply don't want to see another failed forum attempt due to lack of support.
I think I'm the instigator of that idea. :) I don't want the process to become burdensome. I realize people need to review anonymous postings, possibly several times a day. Several people need to be on the team to share the load and I don't know that we have that capacity. I still like the idea but I vote to delay the idea until after R14 and then reopen for discussion.
For dealing with spam: there are antispam methods. My choice is Akismet. It really worked for me. Besides it would be only a a news commenting that is allowed to be done by anons. Everything else (like new user registering) would be done by admin, and I think only people involved with trinity should have access.
And even if you had problems with forum, it doesn't mean we will have them with website. Website is actually really easier to maintain than forum.
The question then becomes *what* to release--maybe condense a line or two out of each monthly meeting?
Sure, why not?
With respect to Tim being the person to support the News or RSS feeds, I don't see why he should be the only person. News is news. Any of us can post something if we have posting permissions. I have a long background in technical writing and can edit and proofread submittals.
Watching for significant bug reports is easy. If I was on the bugzilla "all" distribution list I would know of every patch that was submitted. (Is that something I can configure on my own or does Tim have to add me to that list?)
Other than package building I would not be able to test every patch because like many users, I don't use all apps. Yet knowing of each submitted patch is easy enough to translate into an RSS and News update. I can select two or three patches or bug fixes that seem significant in some way. These updates then show project life and progress.
A PlanetTDE is an interesting idea. We would have to be careful to disclaim and warn that opinions expressed are not always those of the entire team. :)
Darrell
2011/12/20 Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com:
The question then becomes *what* to release--maybe condense a line or two out of each monthly meeting?
Sure, why not?
With respect to Tim being the person to support the News or RSS feeds, I don't see why he should be the only person. News is news. Any of us can post something if we have posting permissions. I have a long background in technical writing and can edit and proofread submittals.
Watching for significant bug reports is easy. If I was on the bugzilla "all" distribution list I would know of every patch that was submitted. (Is that something I can configure on my own or does Tim have to add me to that list?)
Other than package building I would not be able to test every patch because like many users, I don't use all apps. Yet knowing of each submitted patch is easy enough to translate into an RSS and News update. I can select two or three patches or bug fixes that seem significant in some way. These updates then show project life and progress.
A PlanetTDE is an interesting idea. We would have to be careful to disclaim and warn that opinions expressed are not always those of the entire team. :)
Darrell
This is why I suggest using a CMS. To allow anyone with registered and with access to create contents.
2011/12/20 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com:
What about Wordpress? seems bloaty too. My favorite of course is werc :-) I think something minimal, extensible, elegant would be good. Of course it is hard to fill all worlds happily :P
Forget about it. I used it for my personal blog, and as far as you are only blogging it is nice... but for more "normal" website it will be terrible.
I just created bug report 750 (http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/post_bug.cgi):
Akregator default feeds all point to KDE sites
This is a somewhat serious public relations bug.
Does the Trinity web site currently offer any kind of RSS feed? Even if the feeds are stale old news, anything would be better than the default feeds to all KDE sites. :)
Anybody?
With my nominal, almost non existent C++ skills (I am teaching myself and am learning at least to read C++ :) ), I should be able to remove the default RSS sites. Yet I need something to replace those sites. If Trinity does not have any RSS feeds what sites should we offer?
Having one or two default sites informs new users that Akregator is functioning.
Please offer some suggestions. :)
Darrell
I personally never got into RSS. Calvin, any suggestions on what to offer and how to do it?
Tim
I personally never got into RSS. Calvin, any suggestions on what to offer and how to do it?
We have four nominees thus far:
planetkde OSNews H-Online lwn.net
I'll add two more nominees:
LXer Linux News Tuxmachines
I mentioned another that does not exist: Trinity. :)
Darrell
We have four nominees thus far:
planetkde OSNews H-Online lwn.net
I'll add two more nominees:
LXer Linux News Tuxmachines
I mentioned another that does not exist: Trinity. :)
I'm not rushing this, but I'll keep this topic active by formally proposing the following as replacements:
H-Online (http://www.h-online.com/grand-atom.xml) lwn.net (http://lwn.net/headlines/rss) LXer Linux News (http://lxer.com/module/newswire/headlines.rss) Tuxmachines (http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/feed)
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