Tim, All, If we want to preserve the application building tutorials for TDE, we may want to collect those that are applicable from kde.org before they are all removed. I have found several instances where the examples are either gone or are labeled to be removed. I've annotated the pages at kde.org for preservation, but in some seeming "erase all reference to kde3" move, most are slated for deletion. (the storage and bandwidth requirements for the tutorials are minuscule, so the need to delete is somewhat confusing) As food for thought, between the kde3 tutorials at kde.org and the gtk tutorials at developer.gnome.org/gtk-tutorial/, the gtk tutorial is laid out much more logically and thoroughly. If we do preserve some of the tutorials for TDE user/developer reference, my vote would be to follow the gtk lead concerning depth of explanation and layout. (not the web format, the content level) Not priority, but I would be interested in what others think regarding preserving/creating some developer information such as examples and tutorials to show what is new/changed for TDE development verses KDE3 development. (T/Q naming, etc..) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.