Hi,

I saw the top-posting and missed the rest of your questions. Mea culpa.

Answers below.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 22:27 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:

Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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Following the instructions at

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https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Raspbian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Ins... I installed tdebase-trinity (rather than tde-trinity), mainly because of disk space concerns.

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I then installed korganizer-trinity, which is the package of most immediate interest to me.

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However, when I try to configure the date and time (Settings/Configure Date & Time ...) I am told WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run TDE.

Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on what one exactly means "to run TDE".

AFAIK you must provide root or sudo password to configure date and time of the PC - you most probably mean the Kalendar date and time display settings.

Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.

what source did you use - what is mentioned in the article?

Yes, I used exactly the lines in the article, except I put "buster" in for "<your-distribution>". I commented out the deb-src lines, since I was not planning to d/l any source at this point.

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This leaves me completely unaware of what package(s) I should install to make it happy.

tdebase-trinity usually installs what is needed - in this case did you install also locale packages as noted in the article?

I did not. My native language is English, and I am OK with the default locale. (If there was a Canadian English locale I might have installed it, but I don't see any locale in the listing whose name suggests that to me.)

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.

According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.

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Q1: Can anyone tell me which packages I would want to install to be able to run this setting?

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Q2: Can anyone tell me how I could have figured this out myself, short of reading all the code?  (I did look at some code, but decided that it was taking me down some very long chain of function calls with no end in sight, and I had to move on to some other work right now.)

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Thanks very much.

Jim

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:

On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty.  So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.

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According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.

Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application?

Just a single application korganizer (of course, running korganizer starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).

At this point, korganizer seems to be working fine, with the exception that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.

Cheers.

Jim

Answers to the most recent emails of both deloptes and Slávek, in that order:

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 18:56 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:

please answer Slaveks question how you exactly run TDE.

usually I log in via the TDM (login manager) it then takes care to set all the pieces needed to run TDE properly. If you did so - what is the status of your user profile - any old stuff or whatever - perhaps try with a fresh user

I reconfigured my system to use TDM. If I used that *and* chose the TDE session, kcontrol now has a populated left pane.

Running TDM and choosing another session type (e.g., lxde) did not do the trick.

So I speculate my original question is answered, in that apparently I don't need additional packages.

Instead, I pose a new question: why does kcontrol work on my other system (described in my next comment below) and not on raspian?

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tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run TDE.

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Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on what one exactly means "to run TDE".

exactly this is what we are trying to find out - because TDE is the desktop it covers all the pieces. However you are talking about korganiser (the calendar piece as part of the tdepim)

Yes, I am mainly interested in korganizer. On my current system (Slackware64 14-2, running xdm and fvwm2, using the Slackbuilds on github to compile R14.0.5), kcontrol has a properly-populated left pane, even though I am not using tdm and I am not logging in to a TDE session.

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Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.

This actually invokes the part for the locale settings (I think it is part of the tdebase and you have already installed it)

For completeness: As mentioned previously, I am OK with just the default locale.

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.

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According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.

dpkg -l | grep trinity

ii kamera-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf digital camera io_slave for Konqueror ii kappfinder-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf non-TDE application finder for TDE ii kate-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf advanced text editor for TDE ii kcontrol-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf control center for TDE ii kcron-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the Trinity crontab editor ii kdat-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf a Trinity tape backup tool ii kdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Transitional dummy package. This can be safely removed after your TDE upgrade has completed. ii kdesktop-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf miscellaneous binaries and files for the Trinity desktop ii kfind-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf file-find utility for TDE ii kghostview-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf PostScript viewer for Trinity ii khelpcenter-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf help center for TDE ii kicker-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop panel for TDE ii klipper-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf clipboard utility for Trinity ii kmenuedit-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf menu editor for TDE ii knetworkconf-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity network configuration tool ii konqueror-nsplugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Netscape plugin support for Konqueror ii konqueror-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer ii konsole-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X terminal emulator for TDE ii korganizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity personal organizer ii kpackage-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity package management tool ii kpager-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop pager for TDE ii kpersonalizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf installation personalizer for TDE ii kregexpeditor-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf graphical regular expression editor plugin for Trinity ii ksmserver-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf session manager for TDE ii ksnapshot-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf screenshot utility for Trinity ii ksplash-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE splash screen ii ksysguard-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard for TDE ii ksysguardd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard daemon for TDE ii ksysv-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity SysV-style init configuration editor ii ktip-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf useful tips for TDE ii kuser-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity user/group administration tool ii libarts1c2a-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system core components ii libartsc0-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system C support library ii libkcddb1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf CDDB library for Trinity ii libkleopatra1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE GnuPG interface libraries ii libkmime2-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity MIME interface library ii libkonq4-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries for Konqueror ii libkpimexchange1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM Exchange library ii libkpimidentities1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM user identity information library ii libktnef1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Library for handling KTNEF email attachments ii libtdepim1a-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM library ii libtqt3-integration-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Integration library between TQt3 and TDE ii tde-systemsettings-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf easy to use control centre for TDE ii tdeadmin-tdefile-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files ii tdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all system administration tools from the official Trinity release ii tdebase-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all shared data files for the TDE base module ii tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Shared common files for Trinity and KDE4 ii tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core I/O slaves for TDE ii tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf SMB I/O slave for TDE ii tdebase-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all base components from the official TDE release ii tdebase-trinity-bin 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core binaries for the TDE base module ii tdelibs-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all core shared data for all TDE applications ii tdelibs14-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries and binaries for all TDE applications ii tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror ii tdepasswd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf password changer for TDE ii tdeprint-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf print system for TDE ii tdm-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X display manager for TDE ii trinity-keyring 4:14.0.10~pre0-0debian7.0.0+1 all GnuPG keys of the Trinity Desktop Environment repository ii twin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE window manager

dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l

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what packages and how many do you have?

As above.

are they fully installed (line starts with ii)

So dpkg claims.

if packages are not fully installed or missing - this could explain the issue.

I installed yesterday the RPi4 by installing tdebase-trinity & co - about 50 or 100 packages. Then I installed tdepim and some other that pulled many dependencies - about 700+

I did not install tdepim because I just wanted korganizer.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:

On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels

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On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty.  So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.

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According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.

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Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application?

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Just a single application korganizer (of course, running korganizer starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).

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At this point, korganizer seems to be working fine, with the exception that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.

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Ok, I thought so, that explains it. There is a problem that when used without a full session, windows like kcontrol do not work properly. Unfortunately, the cause of this problem has not yet been traced.

OK, thanks for that information.

Can you try it in a full TDE session?

Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both -> use tdm display manager and -> start TDE session then it works.

Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to give something a try, just let me know.

Cheers.

Jim

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:17 (-0500), E. Liddell wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:39:42 -0400 Jim via tde-devels devels@trinitydesktop.org wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:

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On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels

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On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty.  So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.

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Can you try it in a full TDE session?

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Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both -> use tdm display manager and -> start TDE session then it works.

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Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to give something a try, just let me know.

If I try to bring up kcontrol when su'd to root inside a konsole window, I get a blank left panel in kcontrol and the following:

ryu ~ # kcontrol [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 15:52:02.413] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 15:52:02.451] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

The left panel is populated if I open kcontrol from the command line as the logged-in user, and the buildsycoca, DCOP, and warning messages are not printed.

So the problem is either something DCOPish, or something to do with that warning message. Probably.

Jim, can you test to see if you get the same messages, so we can make sure I'm not conflating two different problems?

Given that it works when I run from a "full TDE session", I am running these commands from my trusty fvwm2 session, as started by xdm.

[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:31:29.641] [tdebuildsycoca] Reusing existing tdesycoca. [2021/01/14 17:31:29.860] [tdebuildsycoca] ERROR: tde-applications.menu not found in (/home/zsd/.rpi4-4-files/config/menus/,/etc/xdg/menus/) [2021/01/14 17:31:29.956] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 17:31:30.306] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

I quit kcontrol and then a minute (or so) later ran it again. This time I got

[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:33:22.228] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

Twenty minutes later I ran it once more:

[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:53:32.414] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 17:53:33.073] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

How exactly did you su to root? If I just "su", /opt/trinity/bin is in my PATH, whereas if I "sudo su" it is not. For the root output below, I just did "su". And to start with a clean config, I did the rm shown below

root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# rm -rf ~/.cache ~/.ICEauthority ~/.config /tmp/tde*root /tmp/.ICE-unix/ root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# kcontrol /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 19:31:17.736] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

And no info in the left pane.

As an added bonus, here are the (apparently) relevant processes:

root 10818 1.0 0.6 49132 26780 pts/1 S 19:31 0:00 kcontrol root 10823 0.0 0.2 36836 10824 ? Ss 19:31 0:00 [tdeinit] tdeinit Running... root 10828 0.0 0.2 36600 8832 ? S 19:31 0:00 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide root 10831 0.0 0.3 37900 14684 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10833 0.0 0.4 38308 16076 ? S 19:31 0:00 kded [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10908 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10909 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10910 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10911 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/

If that information is not what you are looking for, let me know.

Jim

On 2021-01-14 17:34:03 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:17 (-0500), E. Liddell wrote:

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On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:39:42 -0400

Jim via tde-devels devels@trinitydesktop.org wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:

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On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels

wrote:

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On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote: > ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: > When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all > sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I > have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so > on) is empty.  So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.

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Can you try it in a full TDE session?

Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both -> use tdm display manager and -> start TDE session then it works.

Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to give something a try, just let me know.

If I try to bring up kcontrol when su'd to root inside a konsole window, I get a blank left panel in kcontrol and the following:

ryu ~ # kcontrol [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 15:52:02.413] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 15:52:02.451] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

The left panel is populated if I open kcontrol from the command line as the logged-in user, and the buildsycoca, DCOP, and warning messages are not printed.

So the problem is either something DCOPish, or something to do with that warning message. Probably.

Jim, can you test to see if you get the same messages, so we can make sure I'm not conflating two different problems?

Given that it works when I run from a "full TDE session", I am running these commands from my trusty fvwm2 session, as started by xdm.

[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:31:29.641] [tdebuildsycoca] Reusing existing tdesycoca. [2021/01/14 17:31:29.860] [tdebuildsycoca] ERROR: tde-applications.menu not found in (/home/zsd/.rpi4-4-files/config/menus/,/etc/xdg/menus/) [2021/01/14 17:31:29.956] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 17:31:30.306] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

I quit kcontrol and then a minute (or so) later ran it again. This time I got

[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:33:22.228] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

Twenty minutes later I ran it once more:

[tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:53:32.414] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 17:53:33.073] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

How exactly did you su to root? If I just "su", /opt/trinity/bin is in my PATH, whereas if I "sudo su" it is not.

You probably want to use su -, not just su. From info su: | -, -l, --login | Start the shell as a login shell with an environment similar to a real login: | o clears all the environment variables except TERM and variables specified by --whitelist-environment | o initializes the environment variables HOME, SHELL, USER, LOGNAME, and PATH | o changes to the target user's home directory | o sets argv[0] of the shell to '-' in order to make the shell a login shell

Without the login option, you're still pointing to your own home directory and various environment variables, but running with root privileges.

Leslie

For the root output below, I just did "su". And to start with a clean config, I did the rm shown below

root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# rm -rf ~/.cache ~/.ICEauthority ~/.config /tmp/tde*root /tmp/.ICE-unix/ root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# kcontrol /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 19:31:17.736] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/

And no info in the left pane.

As an added bonus, here are the (apparently) relevant processes:

root 10818 1.0 0.6 49132 26780 pts/1 S 19:31 0:00 kcontrol root 10823 0.0 0.2 36836 10824 ? Ss 19:31 0:00 [tdeinit] tdeinit Running... root 10828 0.0 0.2 36600 8832 ? S 19:31 0:00 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide root 10831 0.0 0.3 37900 14684 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10833 0.0 0.4 38308 16076 ? S 19:31 0:00 kded [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10908 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10909 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10910 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10911 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/

If that information is not what you are looking for, let me know.

                            Jim

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