It's quite simple really.  We have no legal right to use the trademark "KDE" for anything.  KDE e.V. has graciously cut us some slack during this transitional period, but they could easily demand full removal of all of their trademarks at any time (e.g. if this project starts actually competing with KDE4 for some reason).

It's quite simple really. We have no legal right to use the trademark "KDE" for anything. KDE e.V. has graciously cut us some slack during this transitional period, but they could easily demand full removal of all of their trademarks at any time (e.g. if this project starts actually competing with KDE4 for some reason). Tim

On Thu March 3 2011 09:55:13 Timothy Pearson wrote: this At some stage I would even like to see all the kfoo renamed to tfoo so that they can become first-class file-system citizens in mixed KDE/Trinity installations. --Mike Bird --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messsages on the Web archive: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote: Tonsole, Tonversation, Tate, Twrite... I doubt those would become very popular under their new names ^.^

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Toqueror ???? O.o  i dont think so maybe trinity for desktop name, and kfoo names change to qfoo, referending to QT backend based KDE libraries.

Kristofer, theres no posibvle that u said, please reaad about the 2 previosly mail from me, i explaint some importante issues about kde licences and GPL parts.. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO) http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com Cofundador de Venenux; http://shutendouji.net creador de massenkoh linux.

yes, konqueror and so, may conservate, but some artworks, and KDE name itseft are (R).. only the parts under GPL licence could be use as it, please we need more read KDE licences.. theres some CC-3 artworks issues i think.. On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 11:38 AM, calvin morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO) http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com Cofundador de Venenux; http://shutendouji.net creador de massenkoh linux.

At some stage I would even like to see all the kfoo renamed to tfoo so that they can become first-class file-system citizens in mixed KDE/Trinity installations.

On 03/03/2011 11:55 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote: this I hate using the worn out "win-win" phrase, but from kde.org's standpoint, I think that this project serves as an asset. It generates an overwhelming interest in kde where that interest would now be with Gnome or Fluxbox without Trinity. I'm not advocating changing Trinity to KDE Classic by any stretch. The way I see it, is from the branding standpoint of something like: KDE Classic -> The Trinity Desktop or Trinity Desktop (KDE3 - next generation) I haven't even thought through the formalities yet, but I don't think we need a rebranding of Trinity at all. Honestly, I can't see anyone's ox getting gored by the fact that there is still kde3 artwork in Trinity.. it's a fork, it's gpl, we include a license, that's the way it works... If there are any concerns on the Trinity side, then they need to be identified and considered, and then if warranted, agreements sought to put the issues to rest, if any, so everybody is happy :) I think Trinity is well known enough in the community that it can pretty much stand on its own as a name. If there is an arrangement that can benefit Trinity as well as kde, then that is something that helps everyone out and can easily be pursued. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messsages on the Web archive: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Considering the challenge of changing all names, just leave them all as is. After all these years there is a well known familiarity with the existing names. Why confuse end users?

I suspect there are people who object to the Trinity name. The word means three, but there are obvious religious under tones to the name that people might object. Two-thirds of the people on this planet do not observe the Christian religion. People are free to choose their religion as much as their software, but if a software name alienates people in such a manner, then the name hinders progress rather than helps.

It's still a continuation of KDE3. If we rename it to Quartitiy because of Qt4, we'd have to rename it again (Petriaty?) when Qt5 comes out. That's the whole point of TQt -- make it easier to port from one version of Qt to another without any changes to the base code -- only the library (tqtinterface) needs updating, while the rest of the code doesn't. Though QDE may not be a bad idea -- it may be generic, but Qt Desktop Environment could be satisfactory if we want to avoid wars with KDE.

Quenqueror could still work with the same pronounciation though be a bit confusing when people see the Q, but we'd still have some naming issues elsewhere if we change the app names. Whatever we do, we need to make clear that we are a continuation of KDE3 by a different development team. That way, people know that their KDE3 apps should work with a little bit of code change for TQt (which will need some clear documentation when it's completed), but is still largely compatible.

OK guys, here's my $0.02. We have too many bugs in the bugtracker as it is; this indicates that manpower is severely limited. KDE e.V. has shown to be very reasonable thus far, and they have actually pulled some KDE4 fixes from the Trinity branch, so I don't think there will be any legal problems with images, etc. However, that does not mean we should keep using the trademark "KDE" throughout the desktop environment, as it will lead to confusion and (rightfully) anger KDE e.V. very quickly. I believe the renaming to Trinity, as well as the removal of the "K" icon (it is now a "T" icon as you may already know) is sufficient at this time. So long as Trinity remains a distinct piece of software with a different name than "KDE" I do not forsee any issues, even if some icons are shared between the old KDE3 releases and Trinity. The point is we are not grabbing the newest Oxygen iconsets and artwork and purposefully making a head-to-head run against KDE4 on the same features, look+feel, etc., and KDE e.V. knows that. I say keep the "k" application naming for the older applications (konsole, etc.) for legacy reasons, but for new applications either work the "t" into the application name or leave the name generic. Even better, come up with a catchy name that is NOT tied to the DE--personally I always thought the "k" in the application names was somewhat tacky and childish. Tim