11 Sep
2016
11 Sep
'16
2:16 p.m.
Hi,
I would like to have your opinion on knotes. Perhaps someone of you has
background knowledge why some decisions were taken (or not).
While reviewing the syncevolution backend (I will upload it to syncevolution
sometime soon), I started digging deeper into knotes.
I first opened
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2688
for the libkcal, and then noticed that knotes uses libkcal Journal
(internally), while externally a knotes interface is exposed.
The question is (I did not look too deep) if there is a way to skip the dcop
interface and access the libkcal functions directly. So far I have seen is
that the header files are not exposed. So how would one access the
ressource assigned to knotes?
I'll upload the code now with the dcop interface for notes and later change,
when I have come to a better conclusion, but there are definitely
advantages in using the libkcal directly and consequently perhaps it is
worth thinking of some sort of unification
For example I have in the source
tdepim/libkcal/resourcelocalconfig.h
tdepim/knotes/resourcelocalconfig.h
but only the former is exposed in the include directory:
/opt/trinity/include/libkcal/resourcelocalconfig.h
Actually it is only libkcal in the tdepim1 dev.
The last question is why Journal is not visible as notes and notes are not
visible as journal in kontacts. I can imagine they are based on different
logic, but still I believe it won't hurt if all of that gets unified
somehow.
Thanks in advance.
regards
14 Sep
14 Sep
1:50 p.m.
Hi,
related to above thoughts
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2691
Let me know what you think please. I think it would be really of advantage
to have this method there.
Thanks in advance
17 Sep
17 Sep
7:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Some toughts about knotes
On 2016/09/15 05:50 AM, deloptes wrote:
Hi,
related to above thoughts
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2691
Let me know what you think please. I think it would be really of advantage
to have this method there.
Thanks in advance
Hi Emanoil,
see my reply on the bugszilla. IMO, extensions to dcop interface is not a problem, just
keep in mind it will go on the
next minor release (R14.1.x) and not in the maintenance release for the current stable TDE
(R14.0.x)
Cheers
Michele
18 Sep
18 Sep
1:52 a.m.
Michele Calgaro wrote:
On 2016/09/15 05:50 AM, deloptes wrote:
Thank you Michele. I raised it against 14.1, so I am aware of this. I would
rename the function from getRevision to getLastModified as revision is
confusing with SEQUENCE. Until 14.1 I will rebuild from git as I did now.
My problem ATM is why it always updates the LAST-MODIFIED field as mentioned
in the bug - editor->isModified returns true.
I'll try to find a better solution and update the patches
Hi,
related to above thoughts
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2691
Let me know what you think please. I think it would be really of
advantage to have this method there.
Thanks in advance
Hi Emanoil,
see my reply on the bugszilla. IMO, extensions to dcop interface is not a
problem, just keep in mind it will go on the next minor release (R14.1.x)
and not in the maintenance release for the current stable TDE (R14.0.x)
Cheers
Michele 
2:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Some toughts about knotes
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:16 PM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I would like to have your opinion on knotes. Perhaps someone of you has
background knowledge why some decisions were taken (or not).
While reviewing the syncevolution backend (I will upload it to syncevolution
sometime soon), I started digging deeper into knotes.
I first opened
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2688
for the libkcal, and then noticed that knotes uses libkcal Journal
(internally), while externally a knotes interface is exposed.
The question is (I did not look too deep) if there is a way to skip the dcop
interface and access the libkcal functions directly.
please do NOT bypass the dcop interface, it is a critical part of KDE
(now TDE).
what happens if someone writes a replacement knotes back-end and
wants to test it seamlessly?
what happens if someone writes a networked variant of DCOP (which
i've planned to do for a long long time) that allows remote
authenticated "Notes" management?
if you *bypass* DCOP and use libkal directly, you've just TOTALLY
defeated what makes KDE (now TDE) so powerful and flexible.
please DO NOT design applications that bypass DCOP. if you have to
extend libkcal, extend libkcal and then extend the corresponding DCOP
interface as well, but DO NOT bypass DCOP.
you will be violating one of the fundamental design principles of the
entire project by doing so.
i trust that that is clear.
l.
10:16 p.m.
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 10:16 PM, deloptes
<deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Luke,
all clear, no fear! I am not planning to bypass the interface. I am just
looking for answers.
I am trying to find out why it updates all last-modified fields of all notes
right now...
Help needed.
Hi,
I would like to have your opinion on knotes. Perhaps someone of you has
background knowledge why some decisions were taken (or not).
While reviewing the syncevolution backend (I will upload it to
syncevolution sometime soon), I started digging deeper into knotes.
I first opened
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2688
for the libkcal, and then noticed that knotes uses libkcal Journal
(internally), while externally a knotes interface is exposed.
The question is (I did not look too deep) if there is a way to skip the
dcop interface and access the libkcal functions directly.
please do NOT bypass the dcop interface, it is a critical part of KDE
(now TDE).
what happens if someone writes a replacement knotes back-end and
wants to test it seamlessly?
what happens if someone writes a networked variant of DCOP (which
i've planned to do for a long long time) that allows remote
authenticated "Notes" management?
if you *bypass* DCOP and use libkal directly, you've just TOTALLY
defeated what makes KDE (now TDE) so powerful and flexible.
please DO NOT design applications that bypass DCOP. if you have to
extend libkcal, extend libkcal and then extend the corresponding DCOP
interface as well, but DO NOT bypass DCOP.
you will be violating one of the fundamental design principles of the
entire project by doing so.
i trust that that is clear.
l.
19 Sep
19 Sep
3:49 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Some toughts about knotes
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 6:16 AM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to find out why it updates all
last-modified fields of all notes
right now...
sounds bizarre but fairly easy to track with the right logging /
printf statements strewn liberally through the code to tell you the
sequence of events.
l.
11:16 a.m.
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
sounds bizarre but fairly easy to track with the right
logging /
printf statements strewn liberally through the code to tell you the
sequence of events.
yes indeed. the syncing with the phone works great after I made it, however
might not be enough if there is no lastmodified ... but this is a different
topic.
Now moved to the next item - there is a kpart plugin for kontact, which
somehow duplicates the KNotesAppIface without using it ... and this somehow
contradicts to what you are saying.
Anyway the same trick must be applied there (kontact) to have consistant and
not overwritten LAST-MODIFIED each time it saves the notes.
regards
20 Sep
20 Sep
3:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: Some toughts about knotes
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 7:16 PM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
bleugh! they didn't bypass knotes and go directly to the files
themselves, did they? arghhhh.... :) tell me that the people who
developed the kpart plugin for kontact didn't re-implement the entire
KNotesAppIface instead of just using KNotesAppIface... :)
l.
sounds bizarre but fairly easy to track with the
right logging /
printf statements strewn liberally through the code to tell you the
sequence of events.
yes indeed. the syncing with the phone works great after I made it, however
might not be enough if there is no lastmodified ... but this is a different
topic.
Now moved to the next item - there is a kpart plugin for kontact, which
somehow duplicates the KNotesAppIface without using it ... and this somehow
contradicts to what you are saying.
5:11 a.m.
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 7:16 PM, deloptes
<deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not quite sure, but yes, looks like - looks like mess :) - but perhaps
only from first sight. Perhaps there was a reason and we do not know.
I don't see however who will rework this, so I did a patch to preserve the
lastmodified also when working with knotes from kontact.
Now rebuilding my packages to deploy and make it permanent on my machine.
regards
PS: I want to thank all of you, who helped me understand how to work with
the code, the debugging etc.
I think I have mentioned this before, but in the pastat least 10 years I was
not able to sync phone with KDE (now TDE). I think now this dream comes
true. Thank you for making this happen!
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
bleugh! they didn't bypass knotes and go directly to the files
themselves, did they? arghhhh.... :) tell me that the people who
developed the kpart plugin for kontact didn't re-implement the entire
KNotesAppIface instead of just using KNotesAppIface... :)
l. sounds bizarre but fairly easy to track with the
right logging /
printf statements strewn liberally through the code to tell you the
sequence of events.
yes indeed. the syncing with the phone works great after I made it,
however might not be enough if there is no lastmodified ... but this is a
different topic.
Now moved to the next item - there is a kpart plugin for kontact, which
somehow duplicates the KNotesAppIface without using it ... and this
somehow contradicts to what you are saying.
6:18 a.m.
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 7:16 PM, deloptes
<deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
and as a side effect if you add/mod/del a note in kontakt or knotes, the
other one is not aware of the fact until restarted (thus reload the notes)
this is really odd
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
bleugh! they didn't bypass knotes and go directly to the files
themselves, did they? arghhhh.... :) tell me that the people who
developed the kpart plugin for kontact didn't re-implement the entire
KNotesAppIface instead of just using KNotesAppIface... :)
l. sounds bizarre but fairly easy to track with the
right logging /
printf statements strewn liberally through the code to tell you the
sequence of events.
yes indeed. the syncing with the phone works great after I made it,
however might not be enough if there is no lastmodified ... but this is a
different topic.
Now moved to the next item - there is a kpart plugin for kontact, which
somehow duplicates the KNotesAppIface without using it ... and this
somehow contradicts to what you are saying.
21 Sep
21 Sep
5:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: Re: Some toughts about knotes
On 2016/09/20 09:18 PM, deloptes wrote:
That doesn't really so nice :-(
Would be good if you could find a way to fix this as well, for example an application
could notify the other one if
notes are modified/added/deleted.
What do you think?
Cheers
Michele
bleugh! they
didn't bypass knotes and go directly to the files
> themselves, did they? arghhhh.... :) tell me that the people who
> developed the kpart plugin for kontact didn't re-implement the entire
> KNotesAppIface instead of just using KNotesAppIface... :)
>
> l.
and as a side effect if you add/mod/del a note in kontakt or knotes, the
other one is not aware of the fact until restarted (thus reload the notes)
this is really odd
6:04 a.m.
Michele Calgaro wrote:
That doesn't really so nice :-(
Would be good if you could find a way to fix this as well, for example an
application could notify the other one if notes are
modified/added/deleted. What do you think?
ATM I want to focus on the syncing for one last time. So far all worked
really great and I don't see any problems on TDE side. However the fix I
did for the vcal format seems to be part of the syncevolution internals
because when it converts internally vcal to ical I have the same problem
using Cyrillic as in the tests in TDE.
I'll have this kontact knotes/kpart on the todo list - promised. The best
would be to reimplement the KNotesAppIface, but it would need to understand
the code and how it can be done - things I have never done before.
regards
22 Sep
22 Sep
6:26 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: Re: Re: Some toughts about knotes
On 2016/09/21 09:04 PM, deloptes wrote:
Michele Calgaro wrote:
Ok, no problem. And thanks for your good contribution so far :-)
Cheers
Michele
That doesn't really so nice :-(
Would be good if you could find a way to fix this as well, for example an
application could notify the other one if notes are
modified/added/deleted. What do you think?
ATM I want to focus on the syncing for one last time. So far all worked
really great and I don't see any problems on TDE side. However the fix I
did for the vcal format seems to be part of the syncevolution internals
because when it converts internally vcal to ical I have the same problem
using Cyrillic as in the tests in TDE.
I'll have this kontact knotes/kpart on the todo list - promised. The best
would be to reimplement the KNotesAppIface, but it would need to understand
the code and how it can be done - things I have never done before.
regards
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