tde-users October 2018

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Not Getting list mail
by Baron 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

Hi Guys, Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail ? There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account. But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line. Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or waste bin folders. -- Best Regards: Baron

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: [users] Not Getting list mail
by Kate Draven 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

> On 2018-10-05 01:12:29 William Morder wrote: > > On Thursday 04 October 2018 21:35:58 J Leslie Turriff wrote: > > > On 2018-10-03 09:48:21 William Morder wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron wrote: > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote: > > > > > > I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam and > > > > > > that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam > > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account. > > > > > > > But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or > > > > > > > waste bin folders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Best Regards: > > > > > > > Baron > > > > > > > > > > This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the > > > > > 16/09/18, until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and > > > > > checked my acc and there were no posts from the lists at all, not > > > > > even in the spam folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm > > > > > getting my own mail and reply's back. > > > > > > > > > > Weird ! > > > > > > > > > > Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working. > > > > > > > > Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be > > > > reading. > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity > > > > mailing list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used to > > > > have Gmail, but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and things > > > > got better ... for a while. Then I started getting the same messages. > > > > > > > > I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my > > > > local machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless they > > > > get quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I actually log > > > > in to my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro always get > > > > marked as spam; also, anything from the mysterious Liddell. Also I > > > > think one or two others sometimes. > > > > > > > > Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find > > > > the rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate; > > > > but it would be nice to know the causes of these issues. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Because I use kMail, I always turn off the spam filtering in my mail > > > provider's configuration and write my own local filters. > > > > > > Leslie > > > > Same here, except that it doesn't work. I turn off all spam filtering in my > > webmail accounts; and since I set Kmail to receive text-only (with the > > option to click and view html), it doesn't much matter if I get spam, > > because I can just delete it. (And when I enough spam to be bothered, I > > have the option of using kshowmail, which allows me to preview emails and > > delete them from the server without ever downloading them. It works nicely > > in tandem with Kmail, but since dropping my old Earthlink account, I > > haven't needed to use it.) > > > > The thing is, I switched from Earthlink about 18 months ago, I changed > > first to Gmail, and now use Zoho as my primary account; but now I don't > > really get any spam to be filtered (except of course from Felix's Earthlink > > account!). There is no reason for either Gmail or Zoho to block anything, > > because I get virtually no spam, so I don't understand why, despite all my > > best efforts, certain emails keep getting blocked by default. I can only > > guess that their email addresses have turned up on some "master spam list" > > out there that is used by various providers. I trust that they have been > > blocked by mistake, and are not really spammers, but it's annoying. > > > > Anyway, one keeps moving forward. I check my webmail occasionally, and > > check the online record of the mailing list on Trinity's pages, and (unless > > I have some sudden flash of insight) will leave such issues for others to > > sort out. > > > > Bill > > Hmm... well, if you actually have SpamAssassin and/or BogoFilter running, > it's possible that the databases they've built up are causing false > positives? Perhaps there's a way to flush their content and start them > fresh? > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- I have resolved you and anyone on the list, from going to spam by shutting off gmail filtering and handling it locally. I don't think it has to do with SpamAssassin or any local filtering. Kate

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Re: In defense of TDE copy
by andre_debian＠numericable.fr 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

Hello, Sorry, the recent internet link below is in french. (28/09/2018) I translate a little bit : The Linux system "cloud Azure" of Microsoft represents now 50%, and each month it increases. As I written, Microsoft says that : "they are now a major actor of the opensource..." Even the ex-General Executive of Microsoft, Steve Ballmer, who hated Linux, qualified it as a "cancer ", says now that he is a fan of the Linux system. The time has changed... The article : www.zdnet.fr/actualites/c-est-qui-le-patron-sur-microsoft-azure-linux-39874… > "Linux users of all countries, unite you !" : Yes, but we are not numerous enough (in the consumer market), only 3%. The desktops of Linux could be a brake to switch to Linux, (KDE, Mate, Xfce...) but TDE-Trinity desktop is really good and not known enough. Maybe, the desktop of Windows is the only quality of this system. For me : Linux and TDE are perfect, the winning cocktail ! Remains the battle materials (install driver) too complex on Linux. Companies as IBM coud help the Linux community ? (after the disaster of OS/WARP). Regards, André

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Re: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Not Getting list mail
by Kate Draven 05 Oct '18

05 Oct '18

> On 2018-10-03 09:48:21 William Morder wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron wrote: > > > Hi John, > > > > > > On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote: > > > > I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam and > > > > that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam > > > > again. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote: > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account. > > > > > But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or > > > > > waste bin folders. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best Regards: > > > > > Baron > > > > > > This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the 16/09/18, > > > until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and checked my acc > > > and there were no posts from the lists at all, not even in the spam > > > folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm getting my own mail > > > and reply's back. > > > > > > Weird ! > > > > > > Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working. > > > > Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be > > reading. > > > > For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity mailing > > list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used to have Gmail, > > but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and things got better ... > > for a while. Then I started getting the same messages. > > > > I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my local > > machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless they get > > quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I actually log in to > > my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro always get marked as > > spam; also, anything from the mysterious Liddell. Also I think one or two > > others sometimes. > > > > Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find the > > rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate; but it > > would be nice to know the causes of these issues. > > > > Bill > > Because I use kMail, I always turn off the spam filtering in my mail > provider's configuration and write my own local filters. > > Leslie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- + 1. I also use kshowmail and it deletes the emails I don't want and go lists the ones I do. gmail's "filters" are really just designed to let paying spam through anyway. Kate

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: Re: [users] Re: In defense of TDE copy
by Kate Draven 03 Oct '18

03 Oct '18

> On Wednesday 03 October 2018 10:41:10 Felmon Davis wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, 2. Oktober 2018 schrieb deloptes: > > >> Marvin Jones wrote: > > >>> All of this "stuff" is Religion. > > >> > > >> Religion, Ideology, Philosophy > > > > > > All good reasons to fetch forks and torches, pile up the bonfires > > > and hunt for ... oh, it's oktober ... > > > > however I'd warn against belittling ethical concerns as "religion, > > ideology, philosophy" in the pejorative sense of the words (even when > > we disagree). > > > > f. > > Since we are going far off-topic, I would remind everybody that all this talk > of "religion, ideology, philosophy" (pejorative or not) started with the > notion that our choice of software and/or operating system is somehow > a "political action" or a rebellion. (Choice of software meaning, e.g., > proprietary versus so-called "open source", or better, free/libre.) > > I pointed out that some would try to frame all our words and actions (or lack > of them) in political terms, as I used to be confronted by Marxists who used > that argument. In the same way, our choice of food (kosher/halal, or not) may > be regarded by some as a religious choice. And so on. > > All these are types of fundamentalist thinking (about which you and I have had > discussions already). I see no harm in the universal awakening to a kind > of "everything is love" experience, the desire to help others, to identify > one's own being with every atom in the Universe, to get a sense that > everything is Divine. This is a sort of "diversity is unity" paradox. The > problem creeps in when, for example, those of a literalist bent would try to > force everybody everywhere into their narrow interpretation of [*fill in the > blank here*]. And this is why "religion, ideology, philosophy" come to be > regarded as negative, or mostly negative. > > So the question is, How to achieve the greatest degree of freedom, happiness > and fulfillment for the most people, while yet not infringing on that of > others, or offending against their way of life? The short answer is, It can't > be done; not really. We can only try to broaden our experiences and > understanding, act with good will and generosity towards others, and hope and > trust for the same in return. > > Regarding how this principle applies to software: Run GNU/Linux, with the TDE > desktop. Problem solved. > > For myself, by the way, I am glad that I cannot swim. That way, I will drown > and fail the test, and spare myself getting burned at the stake. > > Bill > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- As a born and raised Irish witch, I can say this. We believe in simple things. "My freedoms end, when such freedoms infringe upon another" "Live and Let Live" "To each their own" "Never assume to understand another, instead ask them to teach about themselves." "Never redefine another person's words." There's more but I think I got what counts for this. I choose gnu linux and kde because they worked. Everything else came after. No politics no religion, no nothing. I needed a tool that would actually work and as it turns out, was within me price range.. free. I don't know how this was started. I will blame William of Morder, as I always do, just easiest thing to do. In any case, that's all I have to say. Hope I haven't offended anyone. Kate The Great and Terrible.

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Smart card support?
by Jacob Brown 03 Oct '18

03 Oct '18

I see that TDE supports SmartCards according to https://www.trinitydesktop.org/features.php . I also see some smart card functionality in the source code of some of the files. What I can't find is any documentation on how to use it or set it up or any of the user space applications for it. There are two places where I'm looking for TDE support: Login (TDM) Lock Screen. I currently have TDE installed via the debian packages for it for Debian Stretch. R14.0.5 Can someone point me to the documentation on how to get it work in TDE? Thanks, Jacob

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] Re: In defense of TDE copy
by Kate Draven 03 Oct '18

03 Oct '18

> On Wednesday 03 October 2018 10:25:42 Kate Draven wrote: > > > On Monday 01 October 2018 22:16:37 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > On Monday 01 October 2018, William Morder wrote: > > > > > On Monday 01 October 2018 12:21:14 Kate Draven wrote: > > > > > > On Monday 01 October 2018, andre_debian(a)numericable.fr wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, the recent internet link below is in french. > > > > > > > (28/09/2018) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I translate a little bit : > > > > > > > The Linux system "cloud Azure" of Microsoft represents now 50%, > > > > > > > and each month it increases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I written, Microsoft says that : > > > > > > > "they are now a major actor of the opensource..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even the ex-General Executive of Microsoft, Steve Ballmer, > > > > > > > who hated Linux, qualified it as a "cancer ", says now that he is > > > > > > > a fan of the Linux system. The time has changed... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The article : > > > > > > > www.zdnet.fr/actualites/c-est-qui-le-patron-sur-microsoft-azure-l > > > > > > >in= > > > > > > ux > > > > > > > > > >-3 98 74 301.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Linux users of all countries, unite you !" : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but we are not numerous enough (in the consumer market), > > > > > > > only 3%. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The desktops of Linux could be a brake to switch to Linux, > > > > > > > (KDE, Mate, Xfce...) > > > > > > > but TDE-Trinity desktop is really good and not known enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe, the desktop of Windows is the only quality of this system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me : Linux and TDE are perfect, the winning cocktail ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Remains the battle materials (install driver) too complex on > > > > > > > Linux. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Companies as IBM coud help the Linux community ? > > > > > > > (after the disaster of OS/WARP). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andr=E9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >--= > > > > > > =2D- > > > > > > > > > If there is one thing Microsux is good at, is messing everything > > > > > > up. They WILL mess this up but it will be linux that pays the > > > > > > price. They will simply blame whatever mess they made on the linux > > > > > > kernel. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for drivers,what do you mean? I've never had to install drivers. > > > > > > I HAVE had to install them in Apple and MS. That's a nightmare. > > > > > > Perhaps I'm mistunderstood (which is likely). > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE and Linux. That's all for me. Apple and MS users are always > > > > > > coming to me for help because they can't do it on their systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > We need be patient. Linux will emerge as a top desktop OS in a few > > > > > > short time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate hops off her soapbox and disappears into the mysterious fog > > > > > > from whence she came. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS TDE is the chocolate of all GUIs! > > > > > > > > > > TDE is the truffles of all GUIs, because it takes somebody to "dig" > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Ooooooh that hurt. > > > > > > There are still plenty of metaphors left for fanciful comparisons.=20 > > > > > > Bill > > > > NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Kate > > > > PS They're not that bad lol. > > If you think my metaphors are bad now, don't get me started with mixed > metaphors, or I will paint you into a corner and throw away the key. > > Bill Kate withdraws in horror.

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Not Getting list mail
by Baron 03 Oct '18

03 Oct '18

Hi Guys, For some reason I am no longer getting any mail from lists.pearsoncomputing.com I can see posts on the web OK though. Thanks: -- Best Regards: Baron

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Re: Re: [trinity-users] In defense of TDE (or any mature software for that matter)
by Kate Draven 02 Oct '18

02 Oct '18

> On Saturday 22 September 2018 18:30:20 deloptes wrote: > > Marvin Jones wrote: > > > Even though that article is 3 years old, it's something I've > > > felt for more years than that. =C2=A0 Defense Exhibit A: GIMP > > I agree in some extent it might be true, but in reality Linux hit the > > Windows and other servers market heavily. They can not forgive. I also > > heard there are Linux hater groups inside Microsoft and other corporation. > > I am unsatisfied with the development of Linux in the past 10yeayrs - loo= > ks > > like the new generation has a different point of view on how things should > > go ... but this is also ok. One gets older anyway > > regards > > Linux represents more than 60% on the professionnal market servers. > Now, all the super calculators are on Linux. > Microsoft has lost the professionnal market and the mobile market, > for Android at 95%. It's why, it hates Linux and the openssource, > tries, to come back on the cloud, to have now friendly relations > with the opensource environment, and declares that it is=20 > "the champion of the Opensource" (sic), > (opensummit exhibition in Paris since more than 5 years, > it says and writes that). > > In the general public market (the people), Linux has a weak part, > about 3% (Apple 10%, Windows 85%) and I'm asking why ? > > Maybe Linux is a little bit too complex, the tying practice, computers=20 > sold with Windows pre-installed, that is a shame, > and in most of schools, the computers are on Windows (a shame again). > Microsoft has given a lot of money to the french national education ministr= > y, > to keep Windows in the french schools (shame number 3), > (a child always keeps all his life in memory what he learned young, > and microsoft knows that very well. > A practice of microsoft also in european countries and in many ministries... > They invest money to keep the market (shame number 4). > > Android is a Linux system and nobody has difficulties on it, > said Linus Torvalds. > > My daughter has learned computing on Linux, > now she is 18 years old and continues on Linux Debian with Trinity Desktop. > > Anyway, I prefer Linux and will never come back to windows ! > > Andr=C3=A9 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Anyway, I prefer Linux and will never come back to windows !" Here here! +1 Kate

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Knode filters?
by J Leslie Turriff 01 Oct '18

01 Oct '18

I'm trying to get Knode to filter out spam entries from the downloads in the comp.lang.tcl newsgroup, but I'm finding the info in the Handbook confusing, and my filters aren't doing anything. My attachments show what I've come up with so far. Does my Spam Filter need to be above All in the list? The handbook doesn't talk about this aspect of the configuration at all. If that's not the problem, what else do I need to look at? Leslie

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