On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 8:38 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
To: users(a)trinitydesktop.org
On Thu December 2 2021 17:24:02 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Was "Debian desktop environment" unchecked?
>
> yes
Hi Gene,
It sounds like this is where your problem starts. It's not
a problem I have seen when using Debian and it's not a TDE
problem but hopefully the Debian people can find a solution
for you.
TDE related questions on the debian list have historicly been ignored.
I'll have to see if they can tell me how to do a no gui text install. But
first, stash the trinity.list file and the updated keyfile deb some place that
will survive the bare metal reinstall. I can't install anything from the
repo list until I update the keyfile, the one on your web page has expired
or ? IDK.
It should be updated to be the new one in the repo.
Cheers Mike, Gene
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On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 7:57 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
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On Thu December 2 2021 16:43:15 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Did you check the last (standard utils box) and optionally (your choice)
> check the penultimate (ssh) box and leave all the other boxes unchecked?
> You especially do not want the first box (Desktop) checked if you're not
> installing a Desktop using this installer.
>
> gnome desktop was unchecked
>
>
> Is this where it "refused to proceed", if not where?
>
>
> What error did it give when it "refused to proceed"?
>
> It didn't, just kept looping back until I selected xfce4.
Was "Debian desktop environment" unchecked?
yes
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On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 8:04 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
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BTW, Gene. Do you have a smart phone with a camera and email?
no, just a bare bones cell with probably a dead battery. I think it has
a camera but a $2 pinhole. its not sharp enough to ID he perp.
If so you can if you wish send a pic (not too big) of your
screen to the list or to me personally when you first run
into a problem and we'll try to figure it out at that point.
At this point, I'm waiting for someone on the kde-pim list
to tell me how to make kmail5 work. In the meantime I've
been unpacking amanda backups by hand trying to recover
my email corpus that goes back to about 2002, but can't get
kmail5 to see it, or to connect to send. And its strange, I had
a whole bunch of konsoles open when I went to bed about 4ish,
but I had 12 empty workspaces when I woke up just before
10ish. Something killed everything in the notso wee hours and
according to uptime it was NOT rebooted in the night.
32 gigs of memory is good, I ran memtest 2 full cycles before
I did the 3rd install. Snilmerg? DIIK.
--Mike
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On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 7:06 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
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On Thu December 2 2021 15:42:38 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Quit yelling at me Mike. Try looking at the installer and tell me how to
>
> install tde from the installer. We are at the mercy of the installer which
>
> refused to proceed when I attempted to not install a gui desktop.
Gene,
Was it the standard Debian Bullseye installer or some variant and if so
which?
The net-installer with non-free stuff.
Which mode did you run it in - expert, guided, other?
Expert.
Did you get to a screen similar to this?
https://tecadmin.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/installing-debian11-image05…
Exactly that.
Did you check the last (standard utils box) and optionally (your choice)
check the penultimate (ssh) box and leave all the other boxes unchecked?
You especially do not want the first box (Desktop) checked if you're not
installing a Desktop using this installer.
gnome desktop was unchecked
Is this where it "refused to proceed", if not where?
What error did it give when it "refused to proceed"?
It didn't, just kept looping back until I selected xfce4.
--Mike
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On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 5:56 PM, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
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On Thu December 2 2021 12:55:55 Gene Heskett wrote:
> Now there are only 6 trinity packages that will install without triggering
> a broken
>
> packages lockout. This is the 7nth bare metal install, and with the
> 1.9Tbyte raid10 taking several hours to format each time, it has not been
> fun. So atm I am back on kde5 and doing battle with windmills. I've not
> been able to ID the cause, but if its fixed so it will install alongside
> another desktop, on bullseye, please advise.
Gene,
What EXACTLY is the first thing that goes wrong after installing a
MINIMAL Bullseye when you do PRECISELY WHAT try to install TDE?
If you've already installed gdm3 or xfce4 or kde5 I don't want to
know. If it's TDE you want why isn't it TDE you're installing?
Quit yelling at me Mike. Try looking at the installer and tell me how to
install tde from the installer. We are at the mercy of the installer which
refused to proceed when I attempted to not install a gui desktop.
If you want to yell at somebody, go yell at debian for not offering it.
This works fine for a lot of people - I've done it dozens of times -
and we don't end up with gdm3 or xfce4 or kde5 when we install TDE.
If you try to rip it out later, it even threatens to remove the kernel.
And TBT, I'm tired of being yelled at and chastised over what is an
installer decision I have no control over even in the expert mode.
--Mike
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On Thu, 2 Dec, 2021 at 3:34 PM, Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
To: tde users
Am Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2021 schrieb Gene Heskett:
> What again is the name of the thing that sets the window manager its
> to use.
tdm or trinity display manager or debian package tdm-trinity
Cheers,
Stefan
Which cannot be installed to bullseye if there is any other xwindow stuff on the machine.
This didn't used to be. I had the installer put xfce4 in for a gui, same as the stretch
install on the 2T drive that killed itself, and tde installed and ran nicely alongside
of xfce4 on stretch.
Now there are only 6 trinity packages that will install without triggering a broken
packages lockout. This is the 7nth bare metal install, and with the 1.9Tbyte raid10
taking several hours to format each time, it has not been fun. So atm I am back
on kde5 and doing battle with windmills. I've not been able to ID the cause, but
if its fixed so it will install alongside another desktop, on bullseye, please advise.
Webmail to me is the biggest PITA ever foisted on us by macrocrap.
Take care and stay well Stefan, and thank you.
Gene
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Hi all,
if you are using Devuan, you may have noticed with the release of R14.0.9
that there are newly available resources generated for Devuan distribution
names in the apt repository. When entering a Trinity repository into the
apt sources list, you no longer need to use equivalent Debian distribution
names. The packages as such remain the same for both Debian and Devuan, as
we still guard to maintain independence from systemd.
See https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DevuanInstall
Cheers
--
Slávek
