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A little KDE Plasma 5 tour, just for curiosity
by Alexandre 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

Hi, Just to try it, I tested Plasma 5 on my computer. At this stage, it is still called Plasma 5, instead of KDE 5 because the software around the desktop is not all ready for Qt5. Also, I provided some screenshots showing Trinity apps being run on Plasma 5. They have to be launched manually from Konsole, but they run run very well and they are even well integrated, when QTCurve widget style is used. IMHO, Plasma 5 is much more agreeable and pleasant to use than it was in KDE4. Yes, it is much slower than Trinity, but it features less nonsense than KDE4. It has not crashed on me for the ''small'' time I tried it. The new K menu is a kind of hybrid between what is the Kicker and the Kickoff menu in Trinity. From what I can see, it will make forget the KDE4 series pretty soon, when it will be ready, but Trinity performance and useability is still unbeatable :) Please be reminded that I only posted these screenshot for curiosity and nobody has to look at it. If you want to comment, please be open-minded. -Alexandre

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emacs and trinity on ubuntu 14.04
by Leonard T Harris 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

A fresh install of Ubuntu 14.04. I installed the trinity nightlies. The first thing I notice is trying to start emacs, I get the error. Undefined color: "FOREGROUND" emacs -q also gives the same error. emacs -nw works as expected. Judging from this: http://emacs.1067599.n5.nabble.com/bug-16462-emacs-does-not-start-under-KDE… I believe it's is some weird X problem. Since emacs worked fine when I edited /etc/apt/sources.lists to add the nightly repo, I'm guessing it is somehow related to installing TDE. There is an Emacs.ad file in: /opt/trinity/share/apps/tdedisplay/app-defaults/Emacs.ad xrdb -query | grep -i emacs Emacs*Background: WINDOW_BACKGROUND Emacs*Dialog*background: BACKGROUND Emacs*Dialog*foreground: FOREGROUND Emacs*Foreground: WINDOW_FOREGROUND Emacs*XlwScrollBar.Background: BACKGROUND Emacs*XlwScrollBar.Foreground: FOREGROUND Emacs*backgroundToolBarColor: BACKGROUND Emacs*bottomToolBarShadowColor: BACKGROUND Emacs*menubar*background: BACKGROUND Emacs*menubar*foreground: FOREGROUND Emacs*popup*Background: BACKGROUND Emacs*popup*Foreground: FOREGROUND Emacs*toolBarShadowThickness: 0 Emacs*topToolBarShadowColor: BACKGROUND Emacs.default.attributeBackground: WINDOW_BACKGROUND Emacs.default.attributeForeground: WINDOW_FOREGROUND Any idea how to make emacs work again? Thanks in advance. -LTH.

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have blown up kicker
by dep 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

greetings, good folks . . . i'm running 3.5.13.2 on 12.04LTS on a 64-bit machine. untril friday i had two monitors, secondary above primary. primary was 1920x1080; secondary, though physically smaller, was 1920x1200. acquired a replacement secondary monitor, fundamentically identical (1920x1080) to the primary. whereupon xrandr reported 1936x 2152. primary monitor is sharp, secondary has contrasting ghosts slightly to the right of the original image. thinking that my driver was flaked out, i d/led the latest geforce driver and installed it. i rebooted. xrandr briefly listed 1920x2152 (1920x2160 would be correct) before kicker crashed. i have tried running dcop kicker kicher restart; sometimes it shows kicker restarting, but then it disappears not to return. there was a time when editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or before that, XF86config) would let one adjust things to get the video right, and that opening kcontrol and making, then unmaking, a change yo the kicker parameters would fix things. but the x configuration file structure has gone all odd, and i'm not sure i'd know anymore what to tell it anyway. i can go looking for a way to fix the screen configuration, i suppose, but i cannot live without my kicker. ideas? thanks. -- dep The shortest distance between you and playing great acoustic guitar: the great new instructional DVDs from Marjorie Thompson, available at www.MarjorieThompson.com

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gcc and Trinity dependencies
by ant 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

I need to reinstall gcc, but when I try, I get this: (Trinity 3.5.13.2 /etc/debian_version is jessie/sid) ------------------------- />aptitude install gcc The following NEW packages will be installed: gcc-4.9{a} libasan1{a} libatomic1{a} libcilkrts5{a} libgcc-4.9-dev{a} liblsan0{a} libtsan0{a} libubsan0{a} The following packages will be upgraded: binutils gcc 2 packages upgraded, 8 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. Need to get 11.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 35.4 MB will be used. The following packages have unmet dependencies: kdesktop-trinity : Depends: binutils (< 2.23) but 2.24.51.20140727-1 is to be installed. The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Remove the following packages: 1) kdebase-kio-plugins-trinity 2) kdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity 3) kdebase-trinity 4) kdesktop-trinity 5) kmail-trinity 6) konqueror-nsplugins-trinity 7) konqueror-trinity 8) ksmserver-trinity ------------------------ I guess if I do this, Trinity will stop working. Is there a fix? cheers ant

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TDE on Slacko Puppy Linux
by Alexandre 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Hi, Is it possible to install TDE on puppy Linux Slacko 5.7? It is supposed to be Slackware version 14 compatible. I have seen that there is a TDE build for Slackware with instruction here, but it seems to be outdated. -Alexandre

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I am so, so sorry - Kubuntu 14.04
by Peter Laws 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Got a new workstation. Wrong video card. The vendor -- rhymes with Bell -- was happy to send me a 2-port card and 3 displays when I ordered a card that had 3 ports (because, hello, three displays). No problem, purchasing person, just have them send me the new card and I'll send the old one back. Nope, no can do, user guy. Send the whole system back. Three weeks later ... I decide I want the latest Kubuntu. I see that there is no TDE for 14.04 so I think "OK, surely they've made KDE 4 usable by now given that it's been how many years?" Um, no. Panels won't extend across multiple screens - have to have one for each. Do those stay on the screens where you put them? No they don't. Surely this is something new. No, it is not - googling around tells me that it's at least 5 years old *and* the plasma idiots say that this won't be fixed because it isn't a problem. Even *Konsole* is farked up. What a mess. So here I am ... begging for 14.04 support in TDE because I really don't have the time to spend reinstalling *again* (I skipped over the Fedora 20 and CentOS 6 chapters of the story). This is a work system, where I do work, not a play system where I play. That is a distinction lost on the plasma/KDE 4 idiots. Help? -- Peter Laws / N5UWY National Weather Center / Network Operations Center University of Oklahoma Information Technology plaws(a)ou.edu College of Architecture, Regional and City Planning, MRCP '16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feedback? Contact my director, Matt Younkins, younkinsm(a)ou.edu. Thank you!

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How do I get at NM in TDE 3.5.13.2?
by Lisi Reisz 14 Aug '14

14 Aug '14

NM seems to work (I never thought to write those words!) in general, but I am told that I need access to get a wireless connection going. How do I achieve this? I can't launch it through Alt-F2 and I can't find it in the menu. Thanks, Lisi

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Re: [trinity-users] I am so, so sorry - Kubuntu 14.04
by iadest 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

There&amp;#039;s one more thing with today&amp;#039;s desktop environments. I&amp;#039;m working mostly with files. The workflow is to make file in one program, process in another, correct in third one, manage files in Konqueror, use files in one more program, batch- process in terminal, etc. In Trinity the most frequently used tasks can be configured to toolbar buttons or some actions (e.g. click-to-rename which is unfortunately not consistent in different views like in MSWin). KDE4 or Gnome 3 or many other desktops are focused on working not with files, but with programs. This is a small change in ergonomy, but has significant consequences. Most customization does not exist in this model and most tasks are executed in single program, so changing active programs (famous Alt-tab) occurs rarely. It is good if someone uses only web browser and mail client, but fails when files are processed. With every new version of operating systems and tablet computing gaining popularity, this model slowly goes back to single-tasking model. It looks similar to these web browsers which dropped favourites/bookmarks for 3x3 dial scrren to bind users to few commercial internet content providers (saying &amp;quot;website&amp;quot; for these sites is not much appropriate today). MCbx Michele Calgaro &amp;lt;&lt;a href=&quot;/?cmd=compose&amp;to=michele.calgaro@yahoo.it&quot;&gt;michele.calgaro@yahoo.it&lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; napisał(a): &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There are still people in the world who like thi

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Still quoting trouble
by Thierry de Coulon 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

Hi all again, Still looking into my "reply and quote" problem: These are the headers from a mail that does *not* quote when I hit reply: Return-path: <xxxxxxxx(a)telenet.be> Envelope-to: tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:54:14 +0200 Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be ([195.130.132.53]:58076) by io.tizoo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <xxxxxxxxxr(a)telenet.be>) id 1XGp76-0004BO-Ea for tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:54:13 +0200 Received: from WernerW7 ([84.192.215.192]) by andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id dQto1o00s49eYV801QtoHp; Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:54:10 +0200 From: "mynameisnobody" <xxxxxxxxx(a)telenet.be> To: "Thierry de Coulon" <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> References: In-Reply-To: Subject: FW: Teilnahme Konferenz Antwerpen Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:53:47 +0200 Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAApH80/Mp7hJriG70cuuLFHCgAAAEAAAACzq+e1WxSpEstgqfGp6heYBAAAAAA==(a)telenet.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0065_01CFB574.0E722870" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac+1YqK0dzhGgcPBToyNJJfOa/I3HwAAISKQ Content-Language: nl-be Disposition-Notification-To: "mynameisnobody" <xxxxxxxx(a)telenet.be> Status: R X-Status: NT X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: Hallo Thierry, <message> These are the headers of a test mail I sent to myself and that quotes correctly: Return-path: <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on haswell.shadok.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Envelope-to: tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:11:35 +0200 Received: from 77-56-251-115.dclient.hispeed.ch ([77.56.251.115]:39307 helo=haswell.shadok.ch) by io.tizoo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch>) id 1XH93H-00073L-2R for tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:11:35 +0200 From: Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> Reply-To: tcoulon@decoulon'ch To: tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch Subject: bla bla blup Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:11:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 (enterprise35 0.20100827.1168748) X-Face: (J=[aQ(/Y-W'9OR]+q#a?vQ?E\UK(3Y)W,o(G!z9xuF=T]31}l22oDzB<cFktdE; (=?utf-8?q?jpAQ0=0A=09=7EiQ=3D?=,mFgX-(a)FHi2z.6Q2l<N3,XS&k'<},q;#,UYo%6F MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201408121211.33811.tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> X-UID: Status: R X-Status: NC X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: THis is a try The only real difference I see is in "Message-Id" (and of course the fact that one message was sent by outlook). What can explain the difference in quoting? The first message had attachments, my test message not, but that should not make a difference? Thierry

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"possible spam" not getting quoted
by Thierry de Coulon 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

Hello list, I'm back with another puzzle. This time about kmail (the version in 3.5.13.2). I recently changed my ISP and the new one has an option to filter the mails with spamassassin. I am starting to receive more mails that spamassassin forwards with this header: *************************** X-Ham-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "<my isp>", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see root\@localhost for details. *************************** These mails are *not* spam but probably some sort of html/mixed html messages. The good point is that the mail is turned into plain text, the problem is that such mails don't quote the message when replying...... As far as I can say this only happens with such fowareded mails. I'm considering turning off that spam filter (I have spamassassin running localy and I use an external service), but maybe somone understanding kmails internals better than me can give an advice? Regards, Thierry

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