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trinity doesn't work
by Gene Heskett 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

I'd love to make that work Felix, but at the moment I'm bouncing between a shell, firefox and whatever I have the shell doing as I only have one, count 'em, workspace, IOW tde isn't working. I think its running either gnome or some leftovers from xfce4. And I lose sudo if I use a non gdm3 window manager. Thanks Felix, Gene

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Re: can't install trinity, synaptic says packages are broken
by Mike Bird 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

On Tue November 30 2021 02:46:14 Gene Heskett wrote: > <snipped> Hi Gene, Please keep replies on list so they're available for others to see and learn from or to correct my mistakes. I'm moving this back on list but privacy rules prevent me from quoting to the list what you sent me off list. Bullseye is a great choice here and now. You have told us that you have used "sudo -E ..." although you haven't told us why you used "-E". What "-E" does is run as root but on your own home folder, not root's. This can easily leave stuff in your home folder which is owned by root and cannot be handled by your regular user account and that can cause all kinds of breakage. You might be able to fix it with something like "chown -R ..." and "chgrp -R ..." but that might make things worse. You have told us that you have gdm3, lightdm, and tdm-trinity on this new install and you have also had kde installed but it is mostly removed now. That ought to work but it is not really a good idea. Think about what you need and only install what you need. Installing hundreds of unneeded packages creates a lot more security vulnerabilities than allowing a root login with a 16-character random password. You can always block ssh root logins without blocking console root logins because if the CIA is sitting at your physical keyboard you're pwned already mate. You really have two choices when installing Debian: a canned install or an expert install. If you choose a canned install you're not TTBOMK going to get RAID10. If you choose expert install you need to know what you're doing. Over the years I've used HW RAID1, HW RAID5, SW RAID1, and SW RAID5 but IIRC I've never used RAID10 and today IMNSHO LVM is much better. But again you have to know what you're doing and why. Whether you use RAID10 or LVM or mercury delay lines you're going to have options in the Debian installer to format each FILESYSTEM. You don't need to spend ten hours zeroing PARTITIONS. So my advice to you is make a plan, do everything in the simplest and most standard way possible except where you need something different, and document exactly what you plan, what you do, and what happens. We can't help you much if you spend a few hours knitting semi-random stitches and then want us to help you turn it into a sweater. One of the key decisions you will make will be systemd vs sysvinit. I use sysvinit. If in doubt you should use systemd because it is the canned standard solution and you don't want to deviate from that without good reason. Just like you don't want to use "sudo -E" without good reason. Good luck Gene, --Mike

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trinity doesn't work
by Gene Heskett 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

Mike Bitd says what does this do that kmail can't? This is synchronous with the arrival of a mail, so kmail doesn't freeze for 5 to 15 seconds while it does it. Puts it all in the background and kmail only freezes long enough to go get it and sort it into the proper folder, a few milliseconds at worst case. Its all part of my incoming mail, reducing my part to a mouse click to go to the next unread msg. Lesson from a frustrated teacher: Computers are supposed to do work FOR you, not make more work. So make it do the drudgery stuff by itself. So I write bash scripts. One click to go to the next unread msg, one click to reply if I can help, and one click to send my reply after typing it. Whats not to like? And this script has been running here in various incarnations for at least a twenty years. Originally used dcop but that fell out of favor a decade+ back up the log. Or when I bailed out of fedora because fedora was always broken, but that was a good 15 years ago. /lesson. Thanks Mike, Gene

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mailwatcher isn't working
by Gene Heskett 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

mailwatcher is this script: #!/bin/bash # set -x # this was a test, was /bin/sh above, but /bin/sh is a softlink to /bin/dash # REQUIRES your distros inotify-tools package, assume kde/kmail in use # but might be adaptable to other agents too # requires a ~/log directory, so mkdir it before running it # you will also need to either do the housekeeping of this file, or # figure out how to make logrotate do it for you. WatchDir=/var/spool/mail/ # Setup temporary log Log=mail.log # put it in my home dir like fetchmail and procmail Mlog=~/log # in case it doesn't exist, make it touch ${Mlog}/${Log} # the command to send over dbus/dcop to make kmail pull the mailfile #in /var/spool/mail # First set method Method=dcop if [[ ${Method} = 'dbus' ]] then Cmd="/usr/bin/qdbus org.kde.kmail /KMail org.kde.kmail.kmail.checkMail" fi if [[ ${Method} = 'dcop' ]] then #or for dcop, use: Cmd="/opt/trinity/bin/dcop kmail KMailIface checkMail" fi # Now, do forever while : do sleep 1 if [ $(pidof -s kmail) ] then echo -n "Kmail is running " >>${Mlog}/${Log} date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} sleep 1 # delay to give kmail a chance to settle in # only start fetchmail once! if [ $(pidof -s fetchmail) ] then sleep 1 echo -n "fetchmail already running " >>${Mlog}/${Log} date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} else echo -n "starting fetchmail at " >>${Mlog}/${Log} /usr/local/bin/fetchmail --fetchmailrc /home/gene/.fetchmailrc >>${Mlog}/${Log} & date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} fi sleep 1 # delay to give kmail a chance to get its dcop/dbus sockets setup? $cmd while [ $(pidof -s kmail) ] do # I've found that stderr needs dumped to /dev/null, so InMail=`/usr/bin/inotifywait -q -e close_write --format %f ${WatchDir}` # 2>&1 >/dev/null # and here it sits until inotifywait exits because of an incoming mail # and time later it will exit, setting $InMail to something, so # recheck to make sure kmail is still about before sending the signal # as dbus/dcop seems to get a tummy ache if there is no receiver if test "${InMail}" = "gene" then $Cmd # sleep 1 # log it echo -n ${InMail} >>${Mlog}/${Log} echo -n " @ " >>${Mlog}/${Log} date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} elif test "${InMail}" = "gene-from_linda" then $Cmd # sleep 1 # log it echo -n ${InMail} >>${Mlog}/${Log} echo -n " @ " >>${Mlog}/${Log} date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} elif test "${InMail}" = "amanda" then $Cmd # sleep 1 # log it echo -n ${InMail} >>${Mlog}/${Log} echo -n " @ " >>${Mlog}/${Log} date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} fi done # we don't have a pidof kmail, log that its gone echo -n "Kmails pid is missing - it has stopped ">>${Mlog}/${Log} date -R >>${Mlog}/${Log} # Now, kill fetchmail too, and this is ok to do killall fetchmail # get rid of a waiting inotifywait, but this is not inotifywait instance # sensitive and may kill the one for cocoprint. killall inotifywait fi # and should be back in the outer loop, waiting for a kmail PID done but... its Apparentely not getting the dbus msg to kmail. and to me its magic so what do I check next? dbus is running: root@coyote:/home/gene# ps -ea|grep dbus 696 ? 00:01:11 dbus-daemon 1768 ? 00:00:02 dbus-daemon 1975 ? 00:00:01 dbus-daemon 2955 pts/0 00:00:00 dbus-launch 2956 ? 00:00:00 dbus-daemon 13857 ? 00:00:00 dbus 13868 ? 00:00:00 dbus thank you Steven, gene

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trinity doesn't work
by Gene Heskett 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

no, it works fine with no reported errors. And I just found kmail-1.9, hidden away in /opt, and it sees all my old mail! So, rescue all my old scripts and see if I can get them started. Then I'll have a real email agent again. If they will run :-/ Cheers Mike, Gene

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trinity doesn't work
by Gene Heskett 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

As a normal user do "grep '^root:' /etc/passwd". Don't post the result here. Does it end in /bin/bash or /usr/sbin/nologin or something else? Also if you haven't tried "sudo bash" please try that as it is only the same as "sudo -i" if root's login shell is bash. Which it is, /bin/bash. Next? Thanks Mike, Gene

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trinity doesn't work
by Gene Heskett 30 Nov '21

30 Nov '21

>Does TDE allow "sudo bash" from konsole? If not what happens? Apparently the same as sudo -i. No errors seen. Thanks Mike, Gene.

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trinity doesn't wok
by Gene Heskett 30 Nov '21

30 Nov '21

>Please keep replies on list so they're available for others to see and >learn from or to correct my mistakes. I'm moving this back on list but >privacy rules prevent me from quoting to the list what you sent me off >list. >Sorry, but webmail seems to be allergic to mailing lists. >>You have told us that you have used "sudo -E ..." although you haven't >>told us why you used "-E". What "-E" does is run as root but on your >>own home folder, not root's. This can easily leave stuff in your home >>folder which is owned by root and cannot be handled by your regular >>user account and that can cause all kinds of breakage. You might be >>able to fix it with something like "chown -R ..." and "chgrp -R ..." >>but that might make things worse. >I'm well aware of that, but since wheezy to now, it was required because root had no >permissions to use the users xwindows. So if I wanted to run synaptic, I had to use the -E. >There was no other choice till now. If I don't need it now, and apparently I don't, the >biggest pain in the ass ever has finally been fixed after at least 4 major debian updates >but now I'll have to learn to "sudo chown -R gene:gene /absolute/path" else I change >root's account with a * in place of the /absolute/path. Based on you statement, I just went >to a buster install and typed "sudo synaptic", and it worked on an xfce4 system, so that >was silently fixed, but I had to use -E on wheezy,jessie,and stretch. >And maybe I just found another oddity. The /root directory is empty. I thought it would >have at least a copy of skel in it. Is that a product of using a no root login but sudo style? When I was able to get to a terminal, an ls -la showed around a dozen .something files, so its not quite empty. So, why do I lose sudo when I use tdm-trinity? Or lightdm? Thanks Gene

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Kmail trinity
by ajh-valmer 30 Nov '21

30 Nov '21

Hello, Why kmail-trinity does'nt accept more than 5 emails to be sended ? I receive a message "not sure that your emails will be received, accept or not accept". Thank you, cheers, André

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Re: can't install trinity, synaptic says packages are broken
by Gene Heskett 29 Nov '21

29 Nov '21

So do I normally, using fetchmail to keep an imap server (dovecot) at my ISP empty. And I have that part workiing, but it will not install anything from R14 despite updating the keyring. Synaptic turns the doit button red and proclaims I have held, broken packages, but refuses to ID them. So just to get a gui, i've quite a bit of xfce4 installed but can't find anything that will assign multiple workspaces, so I'm stuck with only one shell at a time to tyry and see whats going on. My 7 gigs of old mail is because there are several lists I've never expired, so of it going back to 2002. Even getting xfce's default of 4 workspaces would be a huge help. And I'd be double blessed if I could install tde, the whole maryann. trying to run synaptic gets me this gets me a msgs that says use the broken filter to locate 3 broken packages, but theres no such "filter". clearing that and clicking on the fix-broken meno item gets me this: E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'if /usr/bin/test -w /var/lib/command-not-found/ -a -e /usr/lib/cnf-update-db; then /usr/lib/cnf-update-db > /dev/null; fi' E: Sub-process returned an error code searching locate doesn't find cnf-update-db, but an "ls -l /usr/lib" shows: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 Jan 6 2021 cnf-update-db -> ../share/command-not-found/cnf-update-db drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 29 06:07 colobot lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 44 Jan 6 2021 command-not-found -> ../share/command-not-found/command-not-found And that leaves me bum-fuzzled. I could do another, 4th install but that is around an 8 hour job just to clear the raid10's. I did find thebroken filter finally: fig2dev mono-runtime-sgen python-is-python2 I'll see if they can be renoved. took some doing, then desktop-base had to be removed and desktop-trinity added, but now its updateing 263 trinity pkgs, I'll send this, quite FF and reboot to see if I'm making progress. In the meantime, Thanks hunter On Mon, 29 Nov, 2021 at 3:04 PM, Hunter Ellett via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote: To: tde users Cc: hunter2k1(a)disroot.org On November 29, 2021 1:11:24 PM CST, Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net<mailto:gheskett@shentel.net>> wrote: >Some of kde did install but the new kmail 5something doesn't see 7 gigs of old mail, nor will it create ANYTHING not even a new folder. > > >So this is from ff doing webmail, which I would rather use for target practice. > > >Does anyone have a fix for either problem? Hi Gene, Are you talking about tde or kde? Im assuming tde by the title and the context of your message but then you say "kmail 5something". Are you using Plasma Kmail on TDE? Clearing this up will help us diagnose the problem. Either way, 7 GB of mail is a lot. Im guessing this is POP which I know nothing about, for I use IMAP.

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