9 Oct
2021
9 Oct
'21
6:26 a.m.
Anno domini 18:45:48 Fri, 8 Oct 2021 -0700 (PDT)
Gianluca Interlandi scripsit:
The advantage of mailing list vs forum for me is that
I'm "forced" to see
the discussion, so I still learn a lot. My 2 cents ...
+1
And some more things to consider:
- realtime chat is nice, but in reality it only works when you live in ~ the same timezone
and have the chat client running. IRC is as good or bas as jabber, but IMO it's not
much used by the lists audience.
- how to meaningful archive that?
- forums are nice, but (aside from phpbb) forum software quit a bloat on the client side
nowadays and optimized for "mobile devices" aka mousecinemas. And you have to
activly visit them.
- lots of different services scatter information.
- my intention was not to start a discussion on how to get rid of the mailinglist, but to
get mails to the list past local censorship.
Nik
Gianluca
On Fri, 8 Oct 2021, Michael wrote:
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Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
On Friday 08 October 2021 05:25:21 pm Edward
wrote:
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+1 (206) 685 4435
http://gianluca.today/
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
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On 10/8/21 6:10 PM, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
AFAIK it should be possible to make one key pair and share both keys with the
whole list, just for use with this list. Everyone sends on the public key
and everyone decodes on the private key. Yes, it technically violates the
concept of key pairs, but we're just trying to keep the list?s content from
being easily [data collected] and [censored] by [automated data collecting]
mail providers(/entities).
I?m going to presume that any list encryption is pointless if someone installs
the key pair on anything except a local mail client. E.g if someone installs
the key pair on their google web mail interface? (I didn?t think of this
until later.)
That presumption is why I suggested a forum type of replacement for the user
lists. I?m not that up on current ?stuff? so pretty much anything that
eliminates [automated data collecting] being easily tied to a particular
person and/or an entity being able to [censor] participation works for me.
I don?t think there is any sort of perfect solution (maybe a tor onion site,
but ugh, that wouldn?t be user friendly at all.).
Best,
Michael
PS: I?m using [] around concepts, interchange with any type of ?bad? activity
you want.
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https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt… To quote myself:
"It doesn't have to be xmpp/jabber. That might not be quite the right
tool for the job; but I am pretty sure there must be something similar in
concept that would serve our needs."
My original suggestion was simply that we move toward using encryption
for the TDE mailing list. It was Michael's idea to create public/private
keys for the list. However, that was rejected as too user-unfriendly for
noobs, which may be true.
It seems to me that some people just cannot be content until they have
their privacy thoroughly violated and the entire human race is turned
into slaves. Resistance is futile! We will all be assimilated!
So what is it to be, then? I don't especially care about what tool we
use, but we ought to decide to move toward something better.
Stripping email headers might at least be a good place to start. I can't
tell how many email I have accidentally sent to private email addresses
(or received them) just because people don't think to check before they
hit send.
Bill
I don't have an issue with the current e-mail list. I think it's good to
have, plus there is that reference kept online, if someone accidentally
deletes an e-mail.
Regarding encryption, I have seen OpenPGP icons in Thunderbird from some
of the e-mails coming in from the list, but have no idea how to set that
up. I also don't know if there is way to set it up so that it only
applies to the e-mail list and not to other e-mails.