12 Apr
2025
12 Apr
'25
3:04 a.m.
I can't ignore that TDE development is mostly
Debian/Ubuntu oriented and
everybody else are outliers.
I understand the frustration and this is not to minimize your efforts to
improve TDE on Slackware. I have been using TDE on openSUSE Leap 15.x and
it has been working pretty fine. But openSUSE also uses the mainstream
stuff like systemd. Who knows how things may change (hopefully not in a
negative way) with Leap 16.x. Isn't openSUSE (former SuSE) derived from
Slackware?
Gianluca
On Fri, 11 Apr 2025, Darrell Anderson via tde-users wrote:
On 4/11/25 12:11 PM, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
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Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca(a)u.washington.edu
+1 (206) 685 4435
http://gianluca.today/research/
Department of Bioengineering
University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A.
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Yeah, you know ... I tried Slackware, way back
when, and if I were not
running
Devuan or another Debian-type OS, then I would probably move on to
Slackware,
which seems more in the direction I would move ... except, Slackware is
just
a little too much bother for me.
I don't work in the field. I use my machines to do other things in life.
When
I can live somewhere that I have the space, then I would probably have,
once
again, a room dedicated just to my machines, where I could have a test
board,
and various boxes in different stages of building or disrepair, because I
do
like to tinker with them, and I like building Frankensteins out of found
junk. But not at the moment; I have other, more pressing needs.
Also, in my own opinion, the Trinity ISOs leave much to be desired. I tried
installing from some of them, 'Buntus and I think some others. (I have most
of my stuff packed away in storage.) Like I said, once I landed on Debian,
that was good, but I didn't like the changes to systemd, and the internal
chaos and controversies among the devs. Maybe Devuan is just as bad, and I
just haven't heard about it yet? And maybe Devuan will go the same way as
Debian, then I'll have to find yet another OS. But for now, I am content
with
Devuan.
If you somehow manage to get TDE working with Slackware, I would definitely
be
interested in that, and will keep following your posts. If you create a
disc,
live or installation images, I will also gladly give them a test drive. Nik
created some discs with TDE and Devuan bundled together, but he uses a
flavor
of Devuan that is unfamiliar to me, and I never could get it working right.
There might be a few others out there.
If you are already comfortable running Slackware, then I would say that
Devuan
will be like a walk in the park for you.
Thanks for chatting out loud with me. :)
Not that I can't change, but I've been on Slackware for 25 years or so. At
one time I supported Debian systems as an admin, but the move to systemd left
me cold. There are certain things I like to do with my computers and systemd
does not let me do them. I could be naive and ignorant about those systemd
blockers, but Slackware stays out of my way and I do what I want. If there is
one thing I want in an operating system is to stay out of my way.
I could adapt to Devuan or some other non systemd distro that is well
supported by TDE. But I'm an old guy. While old dogs can learn new tricks,
old dogs always ask, "Why should I bother?"
The problem is not that TDE can't compile and run on Slackware. I am doing
that fine. The problem is the many paper cut issues I keep running into. I
post here and nobody sees the same thing. So is the problem PEBKAC?
Slackware? An oversight in compiling the package? Something else?
I can't ignore that TDE development is mostly Debian/Ubuntu oriented and
everybody else are outliers. When the TDE project began I was heavily
involved and seemed like about every other day I was posting issues with
compiling that Debian/Ubuntu users never thought about. We fixed the issues,
no complaints about that. Only that without a large involvement of people
using other distros everybody outside of Debian/Ubuntu is fighting the
proverbial Sisyphean uphill battle.
I'm not trying to sound bitter. I am frustrated, that's all. My aging brain
doesn't fire like 15 years ago when TDE began. I do a lot to keep my mind
working, but aging slowly wins this deterioration game. Usually I solve
problems but the thinking process now takes me three times longer. Or more.
I am not discounting that Slackware is designed differently from what
Debian/Ubuntu TDE users expect. That is not really a problem. The challenge
is getting answers to help resolve the differences. And most Debian/Ubuntu
folks don't know the answers and shrug.
Part of my frustration is finding paper cuts and then discovering I filed bug
reports 15 years ago. Discouraging.
I am working on my own build script environment for Slackware. Takes time
though. I don't really have interest or the skills to create a live ISO or
anything like that. There is one person in the Slackware community who makes
robust ISOs, but TDE is not one of the desktop choices. Likely with enough
grunting I could massage that image with TDE, but that is far down the road
and is something younger whiz kids should tackle.
So I guess I keep plugging away, keep asking questions, and keep filing bug
reports and feature requests. Not much else I can do. :)
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