Re: [trinity-users] Repositories for TDE was Re: [trinity-users] Slávek's repository

On Monday 05 October 2015 23:20:08 Timothy Pearson wrote: Tim - I'm sorry that my disagreement with Mike has impinged on you. It had not occurred to me that you might be using DSL. It was Mike who said it, and I didn't really believe him. See the question marks? I am going to put in here at the beginning what I have said at the end: I am not attacking or criticising you, Tim. I think that what you are doing is wonderful. But I see a problem and I am trying to find a solution. No, I don't, that is unfair and untrue. I have always gone out of my way to patronise small start-up companies and avoid the big boys. I do all I can to stop other people using the big boys. We have a law here against monopolies - one of the advantages of the "liberalism" so hated by many in the US. If I like everything centralised in one spot, why on earth do I use TDE?? My ISP, Zen, was tiny when I joined it. I'm not going to desert it for growing - though I shall desert it if it starts to behave like a "big-boy". There was a very small, very good local ISP that I was recommending to clients, but it has been taken over by someone bigger and less local, so I don't know where it is going and am not currently recommending it to anyone. Yes, you are really up against it. I would hate to be in your shoes. Yes, I know. I keep saying how grateful I am. But that doesn't mean that I think that it is perfect. Again, I know. I thought that I was trying to suggest trying to help do something about it. Part of the problem is that any project which relies totally on one person is inevitably in a precarious position. That sounds terrific and was just what I was saying would be good. But can it not be all the public-facing services? When have I ever suggested it? I have only ever referred to the public-facing bits. Which is why we shouldn't be trying to access the master server. I try to do so as little as possible, partly for that reason. But Mike told me to do so, (advice he has repeated during the course of this "discussion") and the website says to use it. It shouldn't. There are sites that host projects like this pro bono, certainly the web-sites and repos etc. and public facing bits. I am willing to try to find one, but that seems to be a very unpopular suggestion. But anyway, I thought you said that you had now got a VPS available, and were transferring some, hopefully all, of the public facing services. Yes, I know. But to get more developers you need more users. And to get more users you need to be more accessible. And my suggestion that I will help try to achieve that has met with a lot of hostility (not until now from you, I must add). You cannot simultaneously change and stay the same. You can stay small, cash strapped, threatened, or you can grow - and embrace any necessary changes. How can I go on promoting it, when it is then inaccessible? However understandable it may be that it is inaccessible. I have been promoting it hard and getting somewhere, but no-one goes on using it because it is just too much trouble. But from what you say, extra people are just a nuisance anyway - something I have often wondered about. I don't think they are. It is Amazon Prime, Netfilx etc. that are clamouring for users. And it is the providers who find providing DVDs by post more trouble than persuading people to stream. I know. Which is why I have been promoting it. But it will also die and disappear if you personally get fed up; or if it doesn't become accessible. I understand your problems. But try to understand travelling for an hour or more to install or update TDE and having to go away again because it isn't accessible. Or running a class, and the pupils being unable to install after all because it is unavailable. That is what happens if people do as instructed on the website. It shouldn't take inside knowledge to be able to use TDE, if it is to grow. Reading the website should be enough. So the recommended repo or redirector needs to be up reliably. As, of course, does teh website. Which seems to mean that it needs to be hosted somewhere outside the USA. This Czeck one sounds marvellous. And possibly/probably the answer to what I am saying. I have solved it for myself for some years now by always using a mirror, which also keeps the load off the centre. But not all the mirrors are reliable. I asked for advice on which mirror people found reliable, Mike told me to use the redirector and that is where we came in... I am now safely back on a mirror, though now I have chosen one, Mike tells me that I have chosen the wrong one. I did ask for advice. Apropos of which, if it is your recommended list, copernicus still seems to be unavailable. kuiper is fine still. Perhaps Kent decided that one was enough? Anyhow, perhaps copernicus shouldn't be recommended. Yes, I know. That is why I get so frustrated. Unless we can find a way to keep TDE running it will die. It needs users to generate money and developers, or it will be a small niche product and die. Most people go with the flow. Most people use whatever the big boys shove out. Only we rebels and social oddballs (and we must be if we don't use Ubuntu Unity - or even Windows - and bow and say thank you) will use TDE at any price. I can't wean people off Unity onto something that is problematic. They just go back to Unity. Or Windows. I am not attacking or criticising you, Tim. I think that what you are doing is wonderful. But I see a problem and I am trying to find a solution. Mike is to some extent attacking me, I am obviously annoying him, and you are getting caught in the crossfire. That DSL business was obvious nonsense, and anyway it is completely irrelevant what provision is like here; or where Mike has lived. I repeat: I am not attacking or criticising you, Tim. I think that what you are doing is wonderful. But I see a problem and I am trying to find a solution. Lisi