23 Nov
2024
23 Nov
'24
11:33 p.m.
Roman Savochenko via tde-users wrote:
There are a lot of patches (PRs) in the queue there. No one complains,
except you. It is your free choice. I personally see it as symbiosis. And
at some point of time someone picks up the patch works it out and it either
accepted or rejected.
OK, how many sense in holding all previous binary and source packages? :)
Zero sense, because it is not a library/archive. It is working distro. Space
costs and it makes not sense to keep olds stuff for distros that are out of
support. Feel free to create a library/archive and pay for it. No one will
object. I see now in EU storage costs for 5TB are 12,97/month ... so about
78€/y. If it is important for you, you can provide for it.
AFAIK TDE is improving in the years and I know because I follow TGW,
contribute and read the many changes (when time allows). There are some
really good developers that joint in the past few years ... that contribute
constantly ... and have very high quality contributions ... not like me :)
I guess you describe here evolution. Sometimes evolution also makes
mistakes, but it tends to correct them over time. I personally had
conversations (chats and mails) with the "local authority" and understood
how they think and operate. I have very positive view of them ... they are
indeed acting as authority, because they are indeed the authority over TDE,
but they are cooperative and as far as you are also cooperative, it works
just fine. I am writing you this, to encourage you and the rest to
cooperate, because so it benefits the whole community.
And I choose to cooperate and saw my patches go into TDE (one of the first
patches is benefitting you too, because it solved UTF-8 in kalendar and
kontact and may be other applications)
I and I guess the rest have also no problems with your fork and patches. The
problem is with the attitude published in the news group, where everybody
can read it and in fact is factually not true. This is why I am writing to
you. Remember - the whole world reads this!
Well ... so you have a clone/fork of TDE which you commit to maintain
yourself. Why bother TDE?
KDE3 is not TDE ... the KDE3 team had it's own issues. I do not think you
can compare both. I mean you can compare if you wish of course, but it is
not right as these are two different things.
This is waste of time, disk space (and electricity) I do not have such
systems - in fact it is actually not recommended (it would be forbidden)
to use them for security reasons.
If that waste of time, then you can forget this problem, due to it mostly
for Debian 7 and the old build 14.0.10. When you want to save disk space,
remove old builds, which are not needed anybody exactly.
And last versions for old distributions and HW I need, due to work with
such hardware, where you cannot to install fresh distributions whether in
reasons of kernels, or specific modules to them, also as through the
productivity and do not generating HW garbage.
I have done some calculations and it does not pay off to keep old hardware.
The productivity of CPUs is so low for the power consumption that it
obsoletes itself immediately. I had two Acrosser (i386) devices from 2007
with 256MB (yes MB) memory and 300MHz CPU. I had to compile the kernel
myself, because of a combination of available but not active drivers. It
was a pain. After one of them got broken (I guess the electronics for the
CF-IDE controller gave up) I bought a replacement (x86_64) with 4GB memory
a decent CPU and the almost same power consumption. Now I do not have to
compile the kernel anymore. It works like a charm.
This is called evolution. At some point of time things have to be replaced.
If I were you I would keep a repository of those old distros (also a
repository of the distro itself). I have local repositories, but I tend to
update to latest whenever possible.
Again, I write this as invitation to cooperate. It benefits everybody.
BR
Raise a ticket
in TGW, so that we do not forget it and much better
provide a patch that addresses the issue (not commenting out in the code)
I write nothing to TGW right now since there lie tens my previous patches!
There is no problem in building for archived Debian
for such support,
and I do that for my project, so proving the developing to environments
of starting the program and some early. :)
Of course there is no problem ... it just makes no sense. This is normal
... when you are not the "local authority". I actually
like it. It is usually called team work.
I know how teams work, and this one just authoritarian cast tree, when
someones on the top think they "know roots" and other do not, and for
decades they can't fix problems fixed by experienced users "without the
root knowledges". That is they let for users "eat the cactus" or drop
down
this mess, how do many inexperienced users for that broken KDE3.
And for the "local authority", ALL difficult
problems are fixed through
hacks! :)
Well ... everybody has the right of it's own opinion, even if it is wrong.
No idea, but
this is the result, when you kind of fork and continue on
your own.
Not fork but stupid re-branding, with constant symbols renaming forward
and back, with changing the well tested and debugged building system and
loss support of old systems, so caused many hidden and even visible broken
code instead the using stabilisation of the mature code. Also as changing
habits of the code development and debugging especially for partial fast
building, by implementation cmake, ninja and so on.
IMO it would
be better for all parties that you try doing only temporary
changes and try get them into the main repo, because other wise the work
increases over time. At the end it is your own choice what you do. You
are the "local authority for your work".
I NEVER overpress others, leaving for them the responsibility for their
code, which they can improve after exploiting the applied code, especially
when I don't know deep of the problem specific, that is when I don't use
this function!
And I was forced to create the my partial fork after my critical for me
patches became ignored, that I did not choose that!
If you wish
you can write to me in private what issues you have, or post
them here one by one, so that we could discuss.
I have no problem with my "hacks", also as I have no time and wishes to
prove something for the "local authority"! :)
It would be
great if you could contribute, but this includes obeying the
local authority. I am pretty happy with the cooperation with this local
authority. Few things/bugs that were bothering me and I fixed were
accepted without big problems and I learned a lot. I also ported one or
two applications and it also worked quite well. It is just a normal work
flow that you have in every company or open source project.
That is not normal in my open source project!
I really do
not understand your frustration, but it is sad to hear
disappointment. You probably never dealt with Gnome/KDE or other projects
and their "local authorities"
I dealt with the official builds of some Linux distributions, and saw
there horde of the patches to KDE3, so I can imagine about that
"tradition". :)
You have to
adjust the headers a bit and
recompile, which the devs are doing anyway for us.
So, where are you already compiled 14.1.3 for Debian 7,8,9? :)