10 Jun
2018
10 Jun
'18
8:39 a.m.
Hi Jimmy,
Am Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
On 06/09/2018 01:51 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Nik, I was able to remove consolekit and it was replaced by devuan
packages but removing polkit also removes synaptic and I don't want to
remove synaptic. Isn't polkit and elogind now harmless devuan packages?
Thanks,
GNOME-stuff forces you to use those ingeniouse freedesktop.org inventions, so with
synaptic you are out of luck. BTW, have you tried kpackage-trinity?
I don't know if the devuan versions of polkit and elogind are harmful. They just got
in my way. On FreeBSD they were in my way from day one :-(
Nik
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Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2018 schrieb David C.
Rankin:
> On 06/09/2018 10:19 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>>
>> Interesting. "udisks/udisks2" is not installed, but "pmount".
Mounting removable devices without "pmount" fails. I also have no networkmanager
running (just plain dhcp on eth0). Sounds good to me :-)
>>
>> On FreeBSD it looks like the TDEs hal-component does not work propperly when hal
is compiled without consolekit/policykit: it just shows the interlan hd, but no removeable
media - devd based automount still works propperly.
Consolekit was also needed for tdm to implement mulit-seat. I do not know the
current state of systemd inheriting the multi-seat functionality from
consolekit, but when I was building TDE for Arch, when arch dropped consolekit
and went to pure systemd, it broke tdm and there was a big push to implement
multi-seat without consolekit that was never quite brought to fruition.
Slavek probably recalls that mess. A good introduction of the
consolekit/polkit/udisk relationship is:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multiseat
That's an interesting article. So aparently consolekit/polkit/udisk and desendents
are still around to solve a the multiseat "problem" which died when? 1995? Am I
missing some bigger picture here?
Somehow the documentation of consolekit makes me smile in that context:
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html "Defining the
Problem ... To be written."
Polkit documentation is no better, 2. paragraph under "Usage in unprivileged
programs"
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit-apps.html - translates to
"avoid polkit" to me.
Ok, as I mentioned before, on devuan nothing changes after I got rid of
consolekit/polkit/elogind.
On FreeBSD things are a bit different: I compiled sysutils/hal without consolekit2 and
without polkit. I removed consolekit2 and polkit. After restarting hald, "konqueror
media:/" works almost as expected: I get one error message "device busy",
reloading shows the content of the media. Unmounting gives an error message, but the
device is unmounted correctly (which does not happen with consolekit+polkit). But there is
no atempt made to mount the device twice (which was what I wrote about some days ago)
which is a big plus for me.