18 Mar
2018
18 Mar
'18
8:20 a.m.
On Sunday 18 March 2018 00:17:38 William Morder wrote:
On Saturday 17 March 2018 23:58:25 Felix Miata wrote:
By the way, Knoppix includes systemd in that list:
http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/knoppix/dvd/packages-dvd.txt
That's why I am making the switch to Devuan, because I don't like how systemd
runs. There is a lot of controversy around this particular item, and I am not
qualified to speak to the details. However, from what I understand, it's very
big, and either involves a lot of dependencies that are non-free, or includes
components that are non-free, and due to its size there are all kinds of
things about it which cannot be verified by the community, and apparently
Debian admins & devs have no intention of making it better.
So there is this surge towards Devuan, and some other distros like it (for
example, Refracta). All I know is, my system hangs up, especially when I am
trying to shutdown, and it always shows systemd doing something for ever, and
never completing that task; it can go on for hours like this. Much easier
just to change to sysvinit, and own my own computer again.
But like you said, I don't need to install Knoppix, just to use the tools on
the disc. I could probably use the Debian live DVD in the same manner, as it
also has gparted; but I rather like booting up a disc that only does one
thing, and does it well.
Bill
William Morder composed on 2018-03-18 02:19
(UTC-0700):
I don't want to use proprietary or non-free software. Trinity is included
in a number of GNU/Linux distros, including exegnulinux, GnuSense, some
Devuan, etc. TDE, so far as I know, is free/libre by design. Trinity isn't
in that list because it is not an operating system, but only a desktop
environment. Anyway, I told you that I wasn't a purist; I use Trinity
because it works better for me.
I did give the list a look, and it is impressive;
however, it isn't
GNU/Linux (or at least, the gnu.org site doesn't approve of Knoppix).
http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
1-None of the top ten Linux distros from Distrowatch are there either -
no Mint, no Fedora, no Ubuntu, no openSUSE, no Manjaro, etc. Trinity
certainly isn't mentioned anywhere on that page. Why is being on that
very limited list (of distros I never even heard of) important to you? 2-I was recommending Knoppix as a tool suitable
for anyone wishing to run
gparted to repartition an existing installation, as well as other
purposes dictating a live rather than installed OS. Though it can be
installed, that's not how I use it.
It might be useful to me for that reason, because it has other tools. I
only need a live disc for repartitioning at this particular time, not for
long term. However, I won't knock it without having tried the most recent
version, because I might find those tools useful at some point.
3-Knoppix not being on that list could be because
of special software
that enables its use by blind persons. It is nevertheless a free
download, just like Debian, AntiX, Neon and many many more than the 12
that are on that list.
Free as in freedom, not free as in free beer. It is not just the cost, but
also what I am legally allowed to do with my software. Software that is
non-free or proprietary specifically forbids modifying the code, or using
it in a manner other than that for which it was intended (i.e., "hacking"
in the original sense of the word, as opposed to "cracking", which is doing
illegal stuff like breaking into networks or other people's computers). I
only want to be able to make my system do whatever I want, and to modify
software if I so choose.
4-Being Debian based, and installable, Trinity
should be usable on a HD
installation of it without special effort.
No special effort. I just want what I want.
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