6 Oct
2015
6 Oct
'15
9:11 a.m.
Do you know how MATE and Cinnamon were able to get into Debian's official
repositories?
In case you don't let me clarify the MATE situation for you. When MATE
initially asked to be accepted into Debian's official repositories it come
up against alot of negativity. What was the negativity about? MATE was
based on the old Gnome 2.32, it used old Gnome technology, it doubled up on
many Gnome things, and it was believed it would take Debian backwards
because Debian would have to bring back old technology (GTK2, corba, etc).
The MATE devs (and this is one difference between MATE and Trinity because
Trinity has 3 people actively working on it MATE has 12) worked to bring
MATE up to date with new technology. MATE is also a much smaller DE than
Trinity (Trinity has everything excluding the kitchen sink, MATE has the
basics of a modern DE). In other words Debian wouldn't have accepted MATE
with old technologies in it. Another point is the doubling up, MATE
actually doubled up alot of Gnome's behind the screen technology. Trinity
has applications that are not just doubling up they even have the same name
as KDE programs. MATE totally renamed each and every piece of Gnome 2.32
they forked, Trinity hasn't.
Old technology Qt3 (which is now Tqt) and doubling up of applications. I
can't see Debian accepting Trinity (even though it is a great full featured
DE) for these 2 reasons. I applaud TIm and crew for their hard work in
keeping a great DE alive. I would suggest that people who are vocal
(militantly vocal?) about keeping TDE alive start thinking about how others
have been able to do this and emulate their work. Don't just go over the
same old points actually do some research and offer suggestions.
BTW MATE is hosted by First Colo (which I think is a German company).
Methinks Trinity could fix at least one problem by finding a corporate
sponsor for hosting. Do you think Blue Systems (I think they are German as
well) who sponsor some KDE based projects (Kubuntu being one of them I
think) would be interested?
On 5 October 2015 at 20:44, Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday 05 October 2015 10:16:49 Michael . wrote:
You could create a mirror on sourceforge which
will then mirror to
sourceforge's own mirrors.
Ermmm...
We need someone who needs less hand-holding on this. :-(
There is a whole philosophy involved in this.
If we are a small niche hobbyist project, who enjoy talking to each other
and
our navels and using TDE ourselves, then there isn't really a problem.
If we want to be accepted mainstream at some stage, and Mate and Cinnamon
are
both now in the Debian installer, this needs solving, and not just for
mirrors. The main project page has to give usable advice. Usable every
day,
not just when the weather in the central United States is good.
<quote>
I'm still thinking that LXDE with Kthis and Kthat would probably be quite
adequate for me, and would avoid these iffy repositories in Ultima Thule.
And it sounded at the bbq as if that was a stumbling block for getting Ian
on board as well.
</quote>
He installs for a lot of people. As does "Ian". He loved TDE. It was
just
what he was looking for. We are losing the battle. That is fine, if that
is
what we want.
Tim, I am really grateful for what you do and have done. Without you TDE
would not and could not exist. And we must clearly try to fund you better.
But that is not the answer if TDE is to grow, and even survive. It cannot
grow without a different, _larger_ and more reliable (as in weather and
infrastructure) host.
Lisi
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