On Monday 05 October 2015 22:11:47 Timothy Pearson wrote:
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Having had a very frustrating time trying to install r14 on a new install, when I finally succeeded I went to bed. But next morning I came to update my desktop - 3.5.13.2 - and couldn't. See the error message above. I am trying to proseletise TDE, but I can't when installation and updating are so horribly unreliable. I convert people, and they say how lovely it is. Start using it. Hit problems installing and updating and run away again.
The over-riding problem is that only you have ever run a reliable repository ever since I have used TDE.
In that case why don't you simply pick a mirror and use it? From what you are saying any of the mirrors would be infinitely more reliable than the main site, so I would strongly suggest doing so.
That is what I have always done and is where we came in. The mirror I had used for some time had become unreliable and I was looking to change. I asked on the list about mirrors and Mike said that I should use the redirector. I have now (after the recent conversation about how to chose a mirror) reset my sources.list to use a named mirror. So I was only off a named site for six days.
But that is not what your site says to do, and I did not find the mirrors easy to find. So it doesn't help with converts.
And we keep being directed to the pearson computing site because it will direct us to the best mirror, but it doesn't. How the United States lives with its rotten infrastructure beats me. I suppose it is used to it, as we are to our overcrowded roads and ancient train system.
Well, our roads are crumbling and our train system is truly ancient, not to mention our atrocious public transport (where you take your life in your hands just to travel). What's really frustrating is the lack of proper Internet service on top of all that.
_And_ you get bad weather. :-(
Google doesn't attempt to rely on the States:
<quote> Google data center locations. If you include data centers that are under construction, Google has 19 locations in the US where they operate data centers, 12 in Europe, one in Russia, one in South America, and three in Asia. </quote>
Google is a multi-billion dollar business that makes money off of selling your private data to third parties. Are you saying I can start selling any data I glean from your private systems for my own profit? (NOTE: I don't do that, and in fact technically _can't_ do that, however the point on the differing business models is very real and valid.) There is a BIG difference between grassroots open source (as TDE is) and large corporation-sponsored "open source" -- the latter works very rarely in the public interest, and at least in the US is almost always funded by some not so savory business practices. Even the Linux kernel has some issues due to its corporate sponsorship; it will never be relicensed as GPLv3 even though over time it is expected that most people will lose the ability to modify the kernel running on their systems as a result. Scary stuff!
Yes, that is all valid. I was making one point only - that servers based in the United States are unreliable. Not that Google is a model to copy.
Please, please, please can the main public facing stuff be somewhere else?
If you read my prior Email you would know that it _will_ be placed somewhere else, in 3 - 6 months.
No, I meant somewhere outside the United States. Though any improvement is greatly welcomed.
In the meantime Slavek and I are working on a way to mitigate the access issues for certain services, although this is being done at the expense of security (watch your apt-get output carefully everyone, and make sure the GPG keys are valid....)
So can they at least please be on reliable servers? And could you spoon-feed us and give us actual addresses?
Thank you for everything you do, Tim. I'm sorry that I can't help more. But it is not obvious to me what I could do. Proselytising is obviously counter-productive. And I help on the list where I can, but that isn't much.
Lisi
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