17 Nov
2015
17 Nov
'15
3:03 a.m.
As for Michael, who wrote in another email to complain
about people
contacting him off-list, I think Michael's demand that people keep
off-topic discussions about politics on this mailing list is
*completely* wrong and harmful.
Where did I demand that people keep off topic discussions on list? I
didn't. People have options and I discussed those options. I don't want
people, such as yourself, emailing me privately. My email is available for
all to see but it doesn't mean anyone has the right to use it to have a go
at me.
Now you have merged 2 different "off-topic" discussions into one. What is
*completely* wrong and harmful is people misquoting (at best) or telling
lies (at worst) with regards to what other people are saying. Twisting
reality isn't a good thing.
On 17 November 2015 at 13:41, Steven D'Aprano <steve(a)pearwood.info> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:23:18AM +0000, Lisi Reisz
wrote:
On Monday 16 November 2015 23:27:20 Kate Draven
wrote:
really
This comes to a full stop now.
a) You started this.
b) Whilst I entirely agree that this has gone in my opinion too far, I feel that you cannot issue orders in this way.
Especially when, according to the timestamps on the emails, 40 seconds
later you (Kate) replied to another political email to agree. It
certainly comes across as hypocritical and bossy.
I think that only one person on this mailing list can issue orders about
what is and what is not allowed, and that is the list owner, Tim.
The rest of us can just say... please, enough is enough. This is not a
general discussion forum for political matters. Please stop. (That's a
request, not a demand.)
As for Michael, who wrote in another email to complain about people
contacting him off-list, I think Michael's demand that people keep
off-topic discussions about politics on this mailing list is
*completely* wrong and harmful.
Two or three messages in the heat of the moment may be understandable
and forgivable, but there comes a time where we as a community should
bite our lips (or sit on our typing hands) and stop. There are plenty of
other forums to debate and argue the political situation (Facebook,
Reddit, Twitter, etc.), please take it there.
If Michael wishes to *request* that people don't contact him off-list,
that is one thing. (Of course, people are free to ignore his wishes,
just as he is free to delete their emails.) But to insist that people
take *private* and *off-topic* messages public, well, I consider that
far more rude and harmful to this community than the things that Michael
was complaining about. After all, he is free to just ignore any
aggressive or disagreeable private messages, but (unless he is the list
owner) I think that he is out of line in encouraging others to pollute
this list with off-topic messages. Especially disruptive and angry
messages about politics.
If anyone (other than Tim) wishes to disagree (or even agree) with me,
please take your off-topic and/or political messages to private mail. I
promise to read them. I don't promise to reply (that depends on how
polite you are).
Let's please keep it civil and on-topic (well, mostly on-topic) here.
Thank you,
Steve
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