18 Sep
2014
18 Sep
'14
2:51 a.m.
I avoid, like the plague, discussions about systemd purely because of the
FUD, emotional outbursts, and general scaremongering that I see in
discussions about systemd. This time I'm not going to avoid it because of
all the groups I take part in this one (and one other DE group) appear to
be very level headed and talk facts.
Ok here's my take on systemd and Debian. Debian is the 2nd oldest of the
still current distros. It has remained a cornerstone of the Linux community
and a parent to 300+ distros for many years because of the good choices
made by the Debian community. You don't get a position of strength like
Debian has in the FOSS world with a track record of making poor choices.
Because of this I, personally, am willing to wait and watch how the systemd
and Debian thing pans out. I personally do not see any problems simply
because of Debian's track record. There are much greater technical minds
than me making the decisions, Linus Torvolds himself is letting systemd
into Linux so there must be decent technical merit for it.
In my systems, I have more than 20 Debian installs and most are Testing and
Sid, I have not had one issue with systemd. Even when it was pushed into
Testing and install on my machines through a normal upgrade there were no
problems. I remarked on LinuxQuestions only the other day in one of the few
systemd threads that I have said anything in recently that with systemd my
machines boot and shutdown quicker as well.
For Cobber, because I am the only one working on it, I am trusting Debian,
its developers, and technical committees. I don't have the time to change
Debian for Cobber in order to keep systemd out.
There are now 2 versions of the current LFS on with and one without
systemd. I plan on building both to see how well things go.
I am, personally, yet to see anything convincing that says to me that
systemd is the problem for Linux that many say it is. Most discussions turn
into character assasinations and at one point someone said to me "Make your
choice and make the right one or be judged by the community". That to me is
excessive and plays on emotion rather than technical merit. I know some
people won't agree with me, and that is their right and I respect that but
the problem I have seen in most discussions is the anti-systemd group do
not respect those who don't agree with them.
On 18 September 2014 11:14, Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
On Wed September 17 2014 17:24:57 David Hare wrote:
Do TDE users want freedom (as much as is
possible) from systemd?
Since '82 we have used many unices, distros, and desktops but the
last several years we have exclusively used Debian Stable and TDE
and we have been very happy with them.
We are very cautious of systemd and intend to minimize contact with
it even if that means switching OS, distro, or desktop.
It's not the spaghetti design or the mediocre code but rather the
leverage systemd exerts to churn software projects and distros.
Volunteers of course choose for themselves where they wish to spend
their time but to my mind there are far more useful things that can
be done than trying to keep software in sync with systemd's whims.
Mike Bird
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