20 Dec
2015
20 Dec
'15
10:56 a.m.
On Sunday 20 December 2015 07:54:59 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Samstag, 19. Dezember 2015 schrieb Lisi Reisz:
Thanks, Nik!
Lisi
On Saturday 19 December 2015 13:55:41 Gene
Heskett wrote:
You are using Debian. It is not deprecated. IMHO this no root password
business is part of the creeping Ubuntuisation.
Hi Lisi!
Genes problem is indeed a problem of the linuxcnc live cd, which was
formerly based on ubuntu but is now on wheezy. Somebody on the assembly
line liked sudo better than su, which is quite funny. Now when Gene uses
the linuxcnc livesystem (or that installed on a disk) he ends up with
wheezy+ubuntu "make it esy"-stuff aka xfcs/sudo/systemd etc, which makes
things qute interesting when you leave the red flaged paths. On the other
hand, you can install linuxcnc on top of wheezy without that clutter, but
you'll need to know where to go :-)
Nik On Saturday 19 December 2015 08:12:09 Michele
Calgaro wrote:
Rubbish! Rubbish! Rubbish! Debian has always had a root password. If
you haven't got one it is because you aren't using a Wheezy but a CNC or
soethnig one. Debian _has_ started giving the option at install tine of
not having one if you don't want one instead of imposing one on you, but
basically Wheezy has a root password.
On 2015/12/19 11:21 AM, Rolf Schmidt wrote:
> You missed the point, it demands a root pw, that on this wheezy
> system,
>
>> does not exist, so it cannot be launched from the menu entry by
>> any pw entered. The pw used for doing a sudo is not accepted.
>> That was my point.
Again, I see nothing wrong on a general basis.
If you are root (yes, not recommended I know) there is no problem to
run ksysv at all. If you are a standard user, you type in the root
password and everything works.
If your setup does not use a root password or you do not have access
to such password, you have the choice to edit the menu and remove the
ksysv entry.
debian wheezy has never had a root passwd known to the user. Unless they
follow Nik's proceedure to reset it. It does exist, but is not known to
the first user, so there rather effectively is not one as far as that
first user who has sudo rights is concerned.
Rubbish again.
IMHO, the
menu entry is fine as it is now since it will work as
expected for the majority of the users.
Your idea of the word majority is miss-applied in the modern linux
world. Root password usage is pretty well deprecated by most distro's
today, using sudo instead, even in wheezy
Sorry, Gene, but rubbish!
which is considered elderly these
days.
> Unconventional setups will
> need special handling for this type of problem. Just my 2 cents
Quite Michele. The Debian/TDE combination norm for a setup is to have a
root password. It is not as though those who insist on being different
cannot sort it out easily, as you have Gene. But you could always have
used Ubuntu, which does have sudo for the first user by default.
<shudder>
Lisi.