19 May
2016
19 May
'16
8 p.m.
Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Thursday 19 May 2016 07:50:32 deloptes wrote:
Sorry - I mixed it up - sometimes there is irrational shortcut in the brain.
I also prefer the arrow keys for the konsole. In firefox I rarely use
PgUp/PgDn, because in the browser one uses the mouse anyway, so why move
the hand to the keyboard.
I also agree with you about constructing argumentation with fallacies. This
is a phenomenon that me and my wife are personally interested in. She did a
thesis about fallacies in financial news. If there would be a conspiracy
someone should be teaching somewhere how you make good arguments that are
based on fallacy. If I had some time I would do a research from historic
point of view - how this developed, because IMHO 100y ago people had
different kind of education and those who graduated did not talk
nonsense .... well today we have a higher rate of literacy ... but lower
level of communication.
Just sharing my thought off topic without being asked :)
regards
Felmon Davis wrote:
I don't quite see why this is addressed to me by name. It is not my
argument!!! :-/ I merely pointed out that one can produce a rational
argument for up/down. (I don't think, mind you, that rationality comes
into it.)
If Firefox is pitched against Konsole, I instinctively stick up for TDE
against Mozilla. And left-right is in fact more instinctive to me. But
one can produce a rational argument for up/down.
Lisi On Wed, 18 May 2016, Felix Miata wrote:
Lisi,
"tab" is coming from the maps with tabs AFAIK - from the paper world.
This is a normal process in language(s) to use the description of
something old for something new with similar function.
Some are horizontal, some are vertical.
The relation between the tabulator button and the tab/folder is however
not clear to me. And to me it is a mere convention that we use ALT+Tab to
switch between application windows, CTRL+PgUp/PgDn to switch between tabs
in firefox and Shift+right/left to switch between the konsole windows.
However similar to the languages, if convention is already there, it is
usually hard to change, because people get use to it.
This given as argument, I see the option for Felix to change it himself
... there are many ways to do so. Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-05-18 16:40
(UTC+0100):
> Jan Stolarek composed on 2016-05-18 17:33 (UTC+0200):
>> As for Ctrl+Up/Down for tab switching to me this is
>> counter-intuitive. Tabs
>> are displayed horizontally. Using keys for vertical movement to
>> switch between them does not make much sense to me.
This is why an alternate tab switching option employed in other apps
includes the tab key.
Did you ever use a real tab, such as sheets in a ring binder or pages
in a printed manual? Those tabs are each an extension of a layer
constituted of one or more pages. Even today, paper manuals often use
pseudo-tabs, pages with contrasting colors at different positions on
pages' ends to correspond to different chapters, e.g. my Magnavox DVR
and Brother printer.
> They are numbered 1,2,3,4 etc. One usually regards numbers as going
> up and down.
Not so much that as the physics of real rather than virtual tabs. Yes,
they look like they are horizontal, but each real tab is attached to a
layer. Each can overlap one or more others, completely hiding them.
One goes up and down through anything that is layered, unless the
whole layered stack is stood on end, in which case movement within
layers in the stack becomes fore and aft, not side to side.
wow! people are really taking a metaphor very seriously! someone calls
a bit of coding a 'tab' and that generates an argument about whether
the coding should look like a book!
as I vaguely recall there were similar scholastic arguments about the
metaphor of a 'desktop' or 'folders' and such.
these arguments are as difficult to settle as the dispute Swift
recounts of the quarrel between the 'Big-endians' and 'Little-endians'
in _Gulliver's Travels_! and that was causa belli!
(itself a parodic mirror of the dispute between 'Catholic' vs
'Protestant' in Ireland, well of course this wasn't purely
theological....)
say here's what we do: let's code 'tabs' so they go up and down the
right or left side for the 'Up-endians' and so they go along the
bottom or top for 'side-winders'!
I'm a 'side-winder' myself but will willingly concede the word 'tab'
to the 'Up-endians' if they insist - what's in a name?
but my fellow side-winders will insist on their metaphysics: tabs are
'really' left-right, after all some books have tabs at the top or
bottom so....
f.