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Re: [trinity-devel] Default video player (Formerly UUGH! Desktop Icons open in DOLPHIN -- really?)
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

>I think that, in the end, we have three options: > >1. Get kaboodle up to snuff. Yes, improving kaboodle to support all modern formats is a huge bite. Short term we only need to debug and patch why kaboodle is failing with even the older formats. That provides us some temproary breathing room. >2. Move kmplayer into tde-multimedia. If we do this then we might consider pulling kaboodle from the sources and abandon kaboodle. I'm not against the idea of pulling kmplayer into tdemultimedia, but another option is we promote kmplayer as part of the base package set. If we start promoting kmplayer, I'm in favor of a name change. >3. Move kaffeine into tde-multimedia. Same as kmplayer: we promote kaffeine as part of the standard package set. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Commit 83f044c5 [tdebase]
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

>No, leave the patch in place - I'll make an update. >I hope soon :) Okay. I believe the path I used in the patch is the normal installation location as intended from upstream. Therefore other distro maintainers who use a different path are changing that location. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Default video player (Formerly UUGH! Desktop Icons open in DOLPHIN -- really?)
by Greg Madden 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

On Tuesday 04 February 2014 16:08:45 you wrote: > >7) all distros support mplayer in one form or another > > I suppose this is a packager problem, but the original idea of a > default player is no external dependencies. > > MPlayer is well supported but is not part of a stock installation > on all distros. Other dependency presumptions exist in Trinity (for > example, xine for amarok), yet nominating kmplayer as a default > video player and moving into tdemultimedia means MPlayer needs to > be installed. > > Audio players are not the same challenge. We have kaboodle, noatun, > and juk, all installed by the base package tdemultimedia. > > Fixing kaboodle gets us half way home. The other half is update > kaboodle to support newer generations of avi/mpg and like or not, > probably should support flv. For a default player that will > suffice. People who want extensive video format coverage are going > to install something else anyway. > > For Trinity users those additional apps will be kaffiene and > kmplayer for video and amarok for audio. Not a problem for those > types of users. We are discussing a basic default video player for > the first-time out-of-the-box Trinity experience. > > Darrell Never could get kaboodle & kmplayer to 'just work' for random streaming media, checking the 'depends' for those two comes up with a signifcantly shorter list of codecs et al installed compared to mplayer and (my fav) vlc. this is on a Debian system. Problem with desktop environments, apps that no longer or never did work, not being able to go outside the box and use best of breed apps. TDE has some 'best' apps, mine=gwenview, digikam, k3b, kmail, can using other non-tde apps be considered ? Is this what the gtk-qt widget stuff is for? -- Peace, Greg

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Re: [trinity-devel] tdeutils - installing irkick.png icons off / directory?
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

> Please confirm. Something in tdeutils 'make install' paths are >broken and it >is installing /hicolor/16x16/apps/irkick.png at that absolute path >as well as >the /locolor/16x16/apps/irkick.png. The same is true for the 22x22 >and 32x32 >icons for the same: > >/hicolor/16x16/apps/irkick.png >/hicolor/22x22/apps/irkick.png >/hicolor/32x32/apps/irkick.png >/locolor/16x16/apps/irkick.png >/locolor/32x32/apps/irkick.png > > > I'm building tdeutils without any strange patches: > > cd ${srcdir}/${pkgname#*-} > > # copy system libtool and ltmain scripts > cp /usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4 ./admin/libtool.m4.in > cp /usr/share/libtool/config/ltmain.sh ./admin > > ## Generate config files and update with autoreconf > cd ${srcdir}/${pkgname#*-} > make -f admin/Makefile.common > > ## configure > ./configure \ > --prefix=${TDEDIR} \ > --with-qt-dir=${QTDIR} \ > --sysconfdir=${TDEDIR}/etc \ > --localstatedir=/var \ > --enable-debug=full \ > --enable-closure > > ## make $NUMJOBS > make $NUMJOBS > > cd ${srcdir}/${pkgname#*-} > make -j1 DESTDIR="$pkgdir" install > >What got broke and where? Something in the tdeutils (whereever the irkick.png icons are installed from) is not seeing your prefix configuration. BTW, I am using cmake for tdeutils. rm CMakeCache.txt 2>/dev/null mkdir -p ${TMP}/${PRGNAM}.build cd ${TMP}/${PRGNAM}.build cmake $SOURCES_ROOT \ -DCMAKE_C_FLAGS:STRING="$CPUOPT" \ -DCMAKE_CXX_FLAGS:STRING="$CPUOPT $DEBUG_CMAKE_OPT" \ -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=${PREFIX} \ -DSYSCONF_INSTALL_DIR=${SYSCONFDIR} \ -DLIB_SUFFIX=${LIBDIRSUFFIX} \ -DMAN_INSTALL_DIR=${MANDIR} \ -DWITH_DPMS=ON \ -DWITH_XSCREENSAVER=ON \ -DWITH_SNMP=ON \ -DWITH_SENSORS=ON \ -DWITH_XMMS=ON \ -DWITH_KNEWSTUFF=ON \ -DWITH_ASUS=ON \ -DWITH_VAIO=ON \ -DWITH_THINKPAD=ON \ -DWITH_I8K=ON \ -DWITH_POWERBOOK=OFF \ -DWITH_POWERBOOK2=OFF \ -DBUILD_ALL=ON || exit 1 Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] R14 RC1 ready?
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

>I would like to tag the current sources and binaries R14.0.0 RC1, >as it >appears that we have finally cleared the Blocker and Critical >reports from >the R14 Etherpad. > >Are we ready for this or are there any objections? The etherpad hasn't received updates in a while. We need some hacking. Blocker: ======== http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd =Blocker Critical: ========= http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd =Critical Michele is working on 1825, but could use help. That is an ugly bug from a public relations perspective. The comments provide a lot of details. 1853 needs attention. 1821 hasn't been touched. 1813 can be closed after the last comment is implemented. Regressions: ============ 1825 is bad (already mentioned in Critical). The others should receive attention but probably could survive the R14.0.0 cut. Patches Available: ================== Lots of patches sitting out there that have not been reviewed. Likely many could be pushed. Other: ====== * The new web site should be tested before moving toward a release date. * There is a laundry list of items in the R14 checklist etherpad that need attention. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] UUGH! Desktop Icons open in DOLPHIN -- really?
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

>I've had success with 'xine' 'kmplayer' (very slow) 'mplayer' (ok >but full screen) and 'kaffeine" Yes, but those apps are not default apps. Kaboodle is the only base app that plays videos. Xine is indeed a dependency for several Trinity apps, but all of those apps are not base installation apps, like amarok, kaffeine, kmplayer, etc. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] tdeutils FTBFS (cmake) Re: [trinity-devel] tdeutils - installing irkick.png icons off / directory?
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

> Switched to cmake and ... > >[ 7%] Built target kedit-en-handbook >make -f doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en- >handbook.dir/build.make >doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en-handbook.dir/depend >make[2]: Entering directory '/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build' >cd /build/tde-tdeutils/src/build && /usr/bin/cmake -E >cmake_depends "Unix >Makefiles" /build/tde-tdeutils/src/tdeutils >/build/tde-tdeutils/src/tdeutils/doc/thinkpad /build/tde- >tdeutils/src/build >/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build/doc/thinkpad >/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build/doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol- >thinkpad-en-handbook.dir/DependInfo.cmake >--color= >Scanning dependencies of target kcontrol-thinkpad-en-handbook >make[2]: Leaving directory '/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build' >make -f doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en- >handbook.dir/build.make >doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en-handbook.dir/build >make[2]: Entering directory '/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build' >/usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_progress_report /build/tde- >tdeutils/src/build/CMakeFiles >[ 7%] Generating index.cache.bz2 >cd /build/tde-tdeutils/src/build/doc/thinkpad && >/opt/trinity/bin/meinproc >--check --cache index.cache.bz2 >/build/tde-tdeutils/src/tdeutils/doc/thinkpad/index.docbook >index.docbook:16: parser error : Entity 'tde-team' not defined ><corpauthor>&tde-team;</corpauthor> > ^ >index.docbook:25: parser error : Entity 'tde-team' not defined ><holder>&tde-team;</holder> > ^ >index.docbook:54: parser error : Entity 'tde-team' not defined >Submitting a basic text file is acceptable as the &tde-team; will >convert the te > ^ >doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en- >handbook.dir/build.make:57: recipe >for target 'doc/thinkpad/index.cache.bz2' failed >make[2]: *** [doc/thinkpad/index.cache.bz2] Error 1 >make[2]: Leaving directory '/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build' >CMakeFiles/Makefile2:474: recipe for target >'doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en-handbook.dir/all' >failed >make[1]: *** [doc/thinkpad/CMakeFiles/kcontrol-thinkpad-en- >handbook.dir/all] Error 2 >make[1]: Leaving directory '/build/tde-tdeutils/src/build' >Makefile:119: recipe for target 'all' failed >make: *** [all] Error 2 When was the last time you updated your tdelibs sources and rebuilt? The &tde-team; entity was added in commit 52b494dc, from Jan. 19. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Default video player (Formerly UUGH! Desktop Icons open in DOLPHIN -- really?)
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

>This gets us no closer to solving the problem of a viable default >video player, though, unless we want to shift KMPlayer into tde- >multimedia. Merging kmplayer is worth a discussion, unless we fix kaboodle with nominal effort and pain. We're no longer in the 1990s --- we really do need a working default video player these days. We have two hurdles with kaboodle: Broken in R14. I can play audio files with some user accounts and can't start kaboodle at all with other accounts. Probably something at my end, but consistently I can't play videos. The supported video formats are few and they are both early generation versions. Yes, both. As far as I can tell the only supported formats are early generations of AVI and MPG. I filed bug reports against both issues. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] Default video player (Formerly UUGH! Desktop Icons open in DOLPHIN -- really?)
by Darrell Anderson 05 Feb '14

05 Feb '14

>7) all distros support mplayer in one form or another I suppose this is a packager problem, but the original idea of a default player is no external dependencies. MPlayer is well supported but is not part of a stock installation on all distros. Other dependency presumptions exist in Trinity (for example, xine for amarok), yet nominating kmplayer as a default video player and moving into tdemultimedia means MPlayer needs to be installed. Audio players are not the same challenge. We have kaboodle, noatun, and juk, all installed by the base package tdemultimedia. Fixing kaboodle gets us half way home. The other half is update kaboodle to support newer generations of avi/mpg and like or not, probably should support flv. For a default player that will suffice. People who want extensive video format coverage are going to install something else anyway. For Trinity users those additional apps will be kaffiene and kmplayer for video and amarok for audio. Not a problem for those types of users. We are discussing a basic default video player for the first-time out-of-the-box Trinity experience. Darrell

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Re: [trinity-devel] R14 translation German
by Darrell Anderson 04 Feb '14

04 Feb '14

>I don't speak or read additional languages, but I would like to >see >i18n files receive attention too. > >I try to remember to update the i18n files when I make changes in >the main files, but I don't always remember (I'm working on >updates >now to match some recent patches). Considering all of the renaming > >and rebranding changes made in git, I suspect the i18n files are >in >horrible shape. > >We have made changes to the top level help handbooks. I am certain > >no related updates have been made in the i18n files. > >There is the challenge of when we update screen captures to update > >the i18n versions too. That probably does not require a native >language speaker, but does require toggling to the other language >to create the screen capture. > >Part of our focus when we address the i18n files should be to >develop a guideline so as a group we can update i18n files as much >as possible when we modify the main files. We should have a bugzilla status option such as I18NREVIEW and FIXED_I18NREVIEW to help us update i18n files. Refer to bug report 1813 for a similar idea for help handbooks. Darrell

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