Haven't been around much lately, but school is letting out soon and it seems progress is picking up for R14. Kick-Off has been causing problems on and off for my desktops since inception. I did quite a bit of work last year to simplify it, but now the hard-drive parsing (the most ugly piece of code i've seen) has caused problems again. This is due to a questionable amount of parsing doesn't seem to work correctly everwhere. I digress. A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there are any. 2) integrate tde's hw library with kickoff so isn't relying on a bad hack I'd be willing to do both, what do you guys think?