16 Apr
2012
16 Apr
'12
12:50 p.m.
Hey folks,
I've been working on adding a feature to twin which will allow us to do
Mac like switching. This has already been a boost in my productivity
since completing the patch
For those unfamiliar with the concept, on an Apple computer, they have
ALT+Tab and ALt+`. Alt tab functions similarly to ours, but the really
good feature is the ALT+`. It allows you to switch between windows of
the same application. Instead of having to scroll through a many
different applications, you just see the ones on the same type. Example:
you want to switch to the Firefox "download" window, and you are
currently focused on your main firefox window. A quick Alt+` will switch
you back and forth between two, like Alt+Tab operates, to see the tab
box hold down Alt+` to view of the same type, and switch between
multiple ones you then do the regular old Alt+Tab.
I hope I didn't ramble to much, but it's an very useful feature! Just
try it out and see!
I have attached the patches to the bug tracker.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869
Calvin
16 Apr
16 Apr
1:56 p.m.
New subject: Mac Like Switching Patch
On 04/16/2012 03:50 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Hey folks,
I've been working on adding a feature to twin which will allow us to do
Mac like switching. This has already been a boost in my productivity
since completing the patch
For those unfamiliar with the concept, on an Apple computer, they have
ALT+Tab and ALt+`. Alt tab functions similarly to ours, but the really
good feature is the ALT+`. It allows you to switch between windows of
the same application. Instead of having to scroll through a many
different applications, you just see the ones on the same type. Example:
you want to switch to the Firefox "download" window, and you are
currently focused on your main firefox window. A quick Alt+` will switch
you back and forth between two, like Alt+Tab operates, to see the tab
box hold down Alt+` to view of the same type, and switch between
multiple ones you then do the regular old Alt+Tab.
I hope I didn't ramble to much, but it's an very useful feature! Just
try it out and see!
I have attached the patches to the bug tracker.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869
Calvin
err lost the subject there, maybe this will make you guys look at it :-)
Calvin
3:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
I've been
working on adding a feature to twin which
will allow us to do Mac like switching.
This has already been a boost in my
productivity since completing the patch
For those unfamiliar with the concept, on an Apple
computer, they have ALT+Tab and
ALt+`. Alt tab functions similarly to ours,
but the really good feature is the ALT+`. It allows you to switch
between windows of the same application. Instead of having to scroll
through a many different applications, you just see the ones on the
same type. Example: you want to switch to the Firefox "download" window,
and you are currently focused on your main firefox window. A quick
Alt+` will switch you back and forth between two, like Alt+Tab operates,
to see the tab box hold down Alt+` to view of the same type, and
switch between multiple ones you then do the regular old Alt+Tab.
I hope I didn't ramble to much, but it's an very useful
feature! Just try
it out and see!
>
> I have attached the patches to the bug tracker.
>
> http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869
>
3:58 p.m.
New subject: Mac Like Switching Patch
I can add this patch to my build sessions.
I'm confused about applying. Which apps are a good test environment?
All applications are good for testing!
In Firefox I use Ctrl-Page Up and Ctrl-Page Down to
move through tabs.
Likewise in Konsole and Konqueror. In Kate I use Alt-Left Arrow and
Alt-Right
Arrow.
Yet all of those are self-contained or MDI apps.
Yes they are self contained but they do not manage windows. This use
case gets really important across multiple screens. Firefox can be all
in one window, more often than not it is more. Same goes for kate and
konsole. I often keep a Konsole open for building, another for all my
ssh sessions and so on.
If I am using KWrite, which is SDI, and one of the KWrite windows has the focus,
the Alt-` shortcut allows me to cycle through only the KWrite windows?
Yes. Well actually, Initially hit Alt+`, this will let you do the quick
switch between two. Once the tab box comes up, you then need to continue
to hold down alt, and use tab to rotate.
If I understand correctly, then I if I have a dozen windows open,
I use Alt-Tab to focus on the app and then switch to Alt-` to cycle until I find the
specific KWrite window I want?
Yes, but you would actually need to let go of the alt button. It's a one
way street. You start with Alt+Tab, you're going to be cycling through
all the windows. if you start with Alt+` you'll be cycling through just
the windows of one type.
The best way to understand it is by trying it out :-)
Calvin
8:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
Yes. Well actually, Initially hit Alt+`, this will let
you
do the quick switch between two. Once the tab box comes up,
you then need to continue to hold down alt, and use tab to
rotate.
Yes, but you would actually need to let go of the alt
button. It's a one way street. You start with Alt+Tab,
you're going to be cycling through all the windows. if you
start with Alt+` you'll be cycling through just the windows
of one type.
I tested this enhancement. The shortcut works. Good job!
There is one noticeable and distinctive difference. Whereas with Alt-Tab I press and hold
the Alt key and need release only the Tab key to cycle to each window, I have to release
both the Alt and ` key to cycle to the next window. For consistency, I would think the two
shortcuts would work the same. That is, I should be able to press and hold Alt and then
only release the ` key to cycle through the similar windows. I think you're alluding
to that behavior in your previous post, but I'm unsure.
Did not matter whether I started with Alt-Tab to find the app I wanted and then switched
to Alt-` or I started directly with Alt-`. I did release the Alt key when wanting to move
from Alt-Tab to Alt-`. I found the difference confusing at first and then found the
behavior frustrating. Probably 20 years of using Alt-Tab has me expecting that I do not
have to release the Alt key and should only release the ` key.
Is there a way to update that behavior? Probably (hopefully) a one one-liner adjustment
somewhere is all that is needed?
I want to push to GIT but I'd like to see that behavior fixed, if possible. Overall I
like the new shortcut. :) Using the backtick key, which is next to the Tab key is nice
too. Is that your idea or the way the Mac shortcut works?
Darrell
17 Apr
17 Apr
6:45 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
On 16 April 2012 23:22, Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm confused here.
Yes. Well
actually, Initially hit Alt+`, this will let you
do the quick switch between two. Once the tab box comes up,
you then need to continue to hold down alt, and use tab to
rotate.
Yes, but you would actually need to let go of the
alt
button. It's a one way street. You start with Alt+Tab,
you're going to be cycling through all the windows. if you
start with Alt+` you'll be cycling through just the windows
of one type.
I tested this enhancement. The shortcut works. Good job!
There is one noticeable and distinctive difference. Whereas with Alt-Tab I press and hold
the Alt key and need release only the Tab key to cycle to each window, I have to release
both the Alt and ` key to cycle to the next window. For consistency, I would think the two
shortcuts would work the same. That is, I should be able to press and hold Alt and then
only release the ` key to cycle through the similar windows. I think you're alluding
to that behavior in your previous post, but I'm unsure. Did not matter whether I started with Alt-Tab to find
the app I wanted and then switched to Alt-` or I started directly with Alt-`. I did
release the Alt key when wanting to move from Alt-Tab to Alt-`. I found the difference
confusing at first and then found the behavior frustrating. Probably 20 years of using
Alt-Tab has me expecting that I do not have to release the Alt key and should only release
the ` key.
Is there a way to update that behavior? Probably (hopefully) a one one-liner adjustment
somewhere is all that is needed?
I think we need to make them operate the same way. It will some time
No one liner, I need to look into it further
.
I want to push to GIT but I'd like to see that
behavior fixed, if possible. Overall I like the new shortcut. :) Using the backtick key,
which is next to the Tab key is nice too. Is that your idea or the way the Mac shortcut
works?
I won't pretend I invented it. Apple did one thing right with that shortcut :-)
Calvin
10:48 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
Is there a way
to update that behavior? Probably
(hopefully) a one one-liner adjustment somewhere
is all that
is needed?
I think we need to make them operate the same way. It will
some time
No one liner, I need to look into it further.
9:43 a.m.
New subject: Mac Like Switching Patch
On 04/16/2012 11:22 PM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
Okay I've made a patch that should operate normally!
One gimmie though... it does _NOT_ reverse scroll! I can't figure it
out... ALT+SHIFT+` does NOT work! i am perplexed. If I change the
settings under keyboard shortcuts to ALT+1 or anything else, it works :|
Any ideas? Tim, maybe you know :-)?
Patch is attached. please test
Calvin
Yes. Well
actually, Initially hit Alt+`, this will let you
do the quick switch between two. Once the tab box comes up,
you then need to continue to hold down alt, and use tab to
rotate.
Yes, but you would actually need to let go of the
alt
button. It's a one way street. You start with Alt+Tab,
you're going to be cycling through all the windows. if you
start with Alt+` you'll be cycling through just the windows
of one type.
I tested this enhancement. The shortcut works. Good job!
There is one noticeable and distinctive difference. Whereas with Alt-Tab I press and hold
the Alt key and need release only the Tab key to cycle to each window, I have to release
both the Alt and ` key to cycle to the next window. For consistency, I would think the two
shortcuts would work the same. That is, I should be able to press and hold Alt and then
only release the ` key to cycle through the similar windows. I think you're alluding
to that behavior in your previous post, but I'm unsure.
Did not matter whether I started with Alt-Tab to find the app I wanted and then switched
to Alt-` or I started directly with Alt-`. I did release the Alt key when wanting to move
from Alt-Tab to Alt-`. I found the difference confusing at first and then found the
behavior frustrating. Probably 20 years of using Alt-Tab has me expecting that I do not
have to release the Alt key and should only release the ` key.
Is there a way to update that behavior? Probably (hopefully) a one one-liner adjustment
somewhere is all that is needed?
I want to push to GIT but I'd like to see that behavior fixed, if possible. Overall I
like the new shortcut. :) Using the backtick key, which is next to the Tab key is nice
too. Is that your idea or the way the Mac shortcut works?
Darrell
11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
Okay I've made a patch that should operate
normally!
Oof! That was quick! I have much on my plate for today but I'll test as soon as
practical.
One gimmie though... it does _NOT_ reverse scroll! I
can't
figure it out... ALT+SHIFT+` does NOT work! i am perplexed. If I
change the settings under keyboard shortcuts to ALT+1 or anything else,
it works :|
Any ideas? Tim, maybe you know :-)?
No ideas from me. Empathy. I have seen oddball quirks like through the years.
Darrell
6:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
One gimmie though... it does _NOT_ reverse scroll! I
can't
figure it out... ALT+SHIFT+` does NOT work! i am perplexed. If I
change the settings under keyboard shortcuts to ALT+1 or anything else,
it works :|
Any ideas? Tim, maybe you know :-)?
Calvin,
I'm poking in the dark, but I notice some files in tdelibs that reference Al+Tab and
Alt+Shift+Tab:
tdelibs/kutils/kdeglobals.kcfg
tdelibs/tdeui/kshortcutdialog_simple.ui
I notice in tdebase/twin there are several files referencing the text strings
"AltTabMode" and "AltTabStyle." Possibly the new shortcut needs some
similar declarations and references?
I hope that helps. I'm rebuilding now to test the updated patch.
Darrell
8:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
Okay I've made a patch that should operate
normally!
One gimmie though... it does _NOT_ reverse scroll! I can't
figure it out... ALT+SHIFT+` does NOT work! i am perplexed. If I
change the settings under keyboard shortcuts to ALT+1 or anything else,
it works :|
Any ideas? Tim, maybe you know :-)?
Patch is attached. please test
I tested the updated patch. The guinea pig says squeek, squeek, A-OK.
Only thing remaining then is get the Shift key to work?
Darrell
18 Apr
18 Apr
6:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
It might be a qt3 flaw, like they don't handle the key code. I need go look
into it more
On Apr 17, 2012 11:01 PM, "Darrell Anderson" <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Okay I've
made a patch that should operate normally!
One gimmie though... it does _NOT_ reverse scroll! I can't
figure it out... ALT+SHIFT+` does NOT work! i am perplexed. If I
change the settings under keyboard shortcuts to ALT+1 or anything else,
it works :|
Any ideas? Tim, maybe you know :-)?
Patch is attached. please test
I tested the updated patch. The guinea pig says squeek, squeek, A-OK.
Only thing remaining then is get the Shift key to work?
Darrell
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12:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
It might be a
qt3 flaw, like they don't handle the key code. I need go
look into it more
Ok. Guinea pig standing by.
I presume you saw my previous "poking in the dark" post.
Darrell 
19 Apr
19 Apr
1:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
Am 16.04.2012 22:56, schrieb Calvin Morrison:
guys, I'm pretty unhappy that you still continue to develop on the KWin
fork. This is a functionality recently added to KWin and it is really
disappointing to see that our all spare time is wasted by the duplicated
efforts.
Can't we try to at least work a little bit together? E.g. if you want
to add some functionality to your fork to at *at least* check with us
whether we have the functionality? And would it be asked too much if you
*at least* try to upstream changes? The complete Alt+Tab functionality
in modern KWin is decoupled from KWin core, you could just copy and
paste the files and call it a day.
Still I want to point out that the best solution would be to join
efforts and dropping the KWin fork in TDE. It would save so much work
and KWin master can as of today be build without any further
dependencies to kde-workspace, we will soon be able to compile KWin with
a different name (already used by Kubuntu for KWin in Plasma Active) and
after our feature freeze I will make it possible to create a custom KWin
without compiling anything from kde-workspace. That sounds great,
doesn't it?
So please let us work together and coordinate the work on the worlds
best window manager :-)
Cheers
Martin Gräßlin
Maintainer of the window manager you forked
I have
attached the patches to the bug tracker.
http://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869
Calvin
err lost the subject there, maybe this will make you guys look at it
:-) 
21 Apr
21 Apr
4:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin(a)kde.org> wrote:
Am 16.04.2012 22:56, schrieb Calvin Morrison:
That does sound great. Any more dependencies that could only interest KDE4,
despite not the core, or would this actually be cleaner now?
Best regards,
Tiago
I have attached the patches to the bug tracker.
err lost the subject there, maybe this will make you guys look at it :-)
guys, I'm pretty unhappy that you still continue to develop on the KWin
fork. This is a functionality recently added to KWin and it is really
disappointing to see that our all spare time is wasted by the duplicated
efforts.
Can't we try to at least work a little bit together? E.g. if you want to
add some functionality to your fork to at *at least* check with us whether
we have the functionality? And would it be asked too much if you *at least*
try to upstream changes? The complete Alt+Tab functionality in modern KWin
is decoupled from KWin core, you could just copy and paste the files and
call it a day.
Still I want to point out that the best solution would be to join efforts
and dropping the KWin fork in TDE. It would save so much work and KWin
master can as of today be build without any further dependencies to
kde-workspace, we will soon be able to compile KWin with a different name
(already used by Kubuntu for KWin in Plasma Active) and after our feature
freeze I will make it possible to create a custom KWin without compiling
anything from kde-workspace. That sounds great, doesn't it?
So please let us work together and coordinate the work
on the worlds best
window manager :-)
Cheers
Martin Gräßlin
Maintainer of the window manager you forked
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22 Apr
22 Apr
9:40 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Mac Like Switching Patch
Am 22.04.2012 01:44, schrieb Tiago Marques:
sorry, I don't get
the question.
Martin
guys, I'm
pretty unhappy that you still continue to develop on the
KWin
fork. This is a functionality recently added to KWin and it is
really
disappointing to see that our all spare time is wasted by the
duplicated
efforts.
Can't we try to at least work a little bit together? E.g. if you
want to
add some functionality to your fork to at *at least* check with us
whether
we have the functionality? And would it be asked too much if you *at
least*
try to upstream changes? The complete Alt+Tab functionality in
modern KWin
is decoupled from KWin core, you could just copy and paste the files
and
call it a day.
Still I want to point out that the best solution would be to join
efforts
and dropping the KWin fork in TDE. It would save so much work and
KWin
master can as of today be build without any further dependencies to
kde-workspace, we will soon be able to compile KWin with a different
name
(already used by Kubuntu for KWin in Plasma Active) and after our
feature
freeze I will make it possible to create a custom KWin without
compiling
anything from kde-workspace. That sounds great, doesn't it?
That does sound great. Any more dependencies that could only interest
KDE4,
despite not the core, or would this actually be cleaner now? 
18 Apr
18 Apr
12:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] ~ Mac Like Switching Patch
On 04/16/2012 02:50 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
I hope I didn't ramble to much, but it's an very useful feature! Just try it out
and see!
no - I guess it's like th F6 and shift+F6 used to be? In mozilla apps, I can
still F6 through the different element (like plain tab/shift+tab)
That's kind of the next level down from:
Walk Through Desktops=Win+Tab
Walk Through Desktops (Reverse)=Win+Shift+Tab
Walk Through Windows=default(Alt+Tab)
Walk Through Windows (Reverse)=default(Alt+Shift+Tab)
...
Walk Through Dialogs=Alt+.
Walk Through Dialogs (Reverse)=Alt+Shift+.
The only problem is it will conflict with the file manager 'Alt+.' show hidden
files...
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
3:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] ~ Mac Like Switching Patch
On 04/18/2012 03:20 PM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
Perhaps I misunderstood your post, but Calvin's
shortcut is "Alt-`" (backtick --- just above the Tab key) and not
"Alt-.".
:)
Darrell
Nope, you understood my post correctly -- I misread Calvin's. Hmm 'Alt+`'. Oh
now I see how I did it, my dyslexic mind saw the 'end of sentence' Alt+`. and it
registered as a '.' :-)
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
3:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] ~ Mac Like Switching Patch
Nope, you understood my post correctly -- I misread
Calvin's. Hmm 'Alt+`'. Oh now I see how I did it, my dyslexic mind saw the
'end of
sentence' Alt+`. and it registered as a '.' :-)
I empathize. I have occasional dyslexic moments. :)
Probably all people occasionally have such moments.
Darrell
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